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Since PRN133 was set healthy for WAAS corrections, its ranging was
kept at NM (Not Monitored) level, preventing its use for safety of
life applications, however in the last few days, its ranging improved
to UDRE 50 meters, which allows it to contribute for non precision
approaches.
With this improvement now all 3 WAAS satellites have ranging useable
for navigation. The other two WAAS satellites usually work at UDRE 7.5
meters which allows it to contribute even to precision approaches.
In contrast, GPS satellites normally operate at 3 meters UDRE, the
best accuracy WAAS allows any ranging source to achieve.
PRN133 has been performing at UDRE of 50 with some degradation to 150.
This is most useful in South America since PRN133 has the best view of
South America of all GEOs, and with a WAAS compatible receiver capable
of tracking two SBAS GEOs, you would effectively get two extra GPS
satellites.
Marcelo Pacheco
kept at NM (Not Monitored) level, preventing its use for safety of
life applications, however in the last few days, its ranging improved
to UDRE 50 meters, which allows it to contribute for non precision
approaches.
With this improvement now all 3 WAAS satellites have ranging useable
for navigation. The other two WAAS satellites usually work at UDRE 7.5
meters which allows it to contribute even to precision approaches.
In contrast, GPS satellites normally operate at 3 meters UDRE, the
best accuracy WAAS allows any ranging source to achieve.
PRN133 has been performing at UDRE of 50 with some degradation to 150.
This is most useful in South America since PRN133 has the best view of
South America of all GEOs, and with a WAAS compatible receiver capable
of tracking two SBAS GEOs, you would effectively get two extra GPS
satellites.
Marcelo Pacheco
On 2011-10-30 16:44 , macpacheco wrote:
I suppose at least you can use 133 for integrity information for the
rest of the satellites - at least those visible and monitored in N.A.
But the WAAS differential correction would not be applied in S.A. and
the range error from 133 would pollute GPS-only nav solutions in any
case - fine for terminals and en-route only.
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I suppose at least you can use 133 for integrity information for the
rest of the satellites - at least those visible and monitored in N.A.
But the WAAS differential correction would not be applied in S.A. and
the range error from 133 would pollute GPS-only nav solutions in any
case - fine for terminals and en-route only.
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NASA JPL operates a Global Differential GPS system with worldwide
coverage. They claim 10cm performance.
http://www.gdgps.net/
'The NASA Global Differential GPS (GDGPS) System is a complete, highly
accurate, and extremely robust real-time GPS monitoring and
augmentation system'.
I believe the John Deere Starfire commercial service is based upon the
NASA system.
Why can't airplanes use it ?
--- CHAS
> NASA JPL operates a Global Differential GPS system with worldwide
> coverage. =A0They claim 10cm performance.
> http://www.gdgps.net/
> 'The NASA Global Differential GPS (GDGPS) System is a complete, highly
> accurate, and extremely robust real-time GPS monitoring and
> augmentation system'.
> I believe the John Deere Starfire commercial service is based upon the
> NASA system.
> Why can't airplanes use it ?
> --- =A0CHAS
> coverage. =A0They claim 10cm performance.
> http://www.gdgps.net/
> 'The NASA Global Differential GPS (GDGPS) System is a complete, highly
> accurate, and extremely robust real-time GPS monitoring and
> augmentation system'.
> I believe the John Deere Starfire commercial service is based upon the
> NASA system.
> Why can't airplanes use it ?
> --- =A0CHAS
- 10 cm performance in real time kinematic or post processing ?
- 10 cm performance at what confidence level ? SBAS confidence levels
are 99.99% - 99.99999% performance, instead of the usual 50-95%.
- Any system with that kind of performance today HAS to use semi
codeless at the end user level (L2 band). The FAA/ICAO/EASA has this
ARNS paranoia mentality that considers any usage of signals outside
ARNS protected bands a BIG no-no for end user equipment. While I don't
agree, I understand that decision within their paranoia mentality.
That's because the biggest bottleneck in SBAS performance today is
IONO corrections that must be applied on a grid basis, SoL end users
can't use semi codeless for autonomous IONO corrections. SBAS iono
grids are broadcast on a 5x5 degree spacing, and their calculation is
extremely dependent on station density.
- Finally, end user receivers are not required to have extensive multi
path rejection, that's the second biggest error factor in SBAS.
- If SBAS end users were allowed to use semi codeless today, and L2C /
L5 as it became healthy for IONO corrections, the current VPL/HPL
(vertical/horizontal protection level) that range from 15-50 meters
today, would go down to 5-20 meters easily, but that's 5 meters at
99.999% level (or better), which easily means measured performance
would be sub-meter. Add extensive multi path rejection requirement and
UDRE would come down from 3 meters to 1.5 meters easily. With
protection levels in the 2-10 meters range. UDRE level includes a
multi path error budget for end user equipment. A smarter approach
would have been to exclude receiver errors from UDRE levels, and
determine receiver errors (including multipath) at equipment
certification time, and have the end user equipment add its own error
to the UDRE levels, providing for a more competitive landscape for
equipments with better multi path rejection (would be able to achieve
LPV200 approaches under scenarios that are forbidden today, and could
even provide a basis for CAT II approaches today).
Theoretically if you plug in SBAS corrections into an end user
receiver that uses the starfire logic, you should get half meter
performance or better. The difference is due to the absence of carrier
phase information in the SBAS data stream.
SBAS uses a 250bps data stream, if you remove the IONO grid from that
data stream, you take 80% of the data away, which would allow for a
five fold increase in clock/ephemeris updates. Or you could easily add
carrier phase information and still increase the update rate. LAAS has
carrier phase information for instance.
Finally, SBAS ephemeris/clock updates accuracy would improve
significantly if all SBAS systems use each other's pseudoranging, in
WAAS cases that would mean at least using three strategically selected
MSAS stations and four strategically selected EGNOS stations, allowing
for almost worldwide ephemeris/clock coverage. Today satellites flying
over the Indian Ocean get Not Monitored flags in WAAS, while
satellites over the south pacific get NM flags on EGNOS. EGNOS fares a
little better due to having one station in South Africa and one in
French Guyana (South America very close to the equator line).
If all SBAS systems used 100% of each other reference stations, they
would be able to provide worldwide clock/ephemeris updates (all
satellites) at UDRE 3 for all satellites north of 30S latitude and
mostly UDRE 3 for satellites south of that line.
Marcelo Pacheco
On 2011-10-30 20:08 , HIPAR wrote:
First off it's proprietary - something WAAS/EGNOS avoid. Airlines are
loathe to add equipment and pay operating fees for it. (Not to mention
that JD would have to build (or have an avionics firm design, build and
certify) airborne Starfire receivers.
Secondly, Starfire receivers are L1+L2. More expensive than L1
receivers. L1+L2(codeless) phase comparisons provide for a lot of local
PR correction due to ionospheric delays. The data downloaded by
Starfire is thus limited to non-iono effects (ephemeris error, clock error).
So, an aviation certified L1/L2 antenna would be needed as well (I don't
know if any exist but surely a military antenna could be put through the
paces for DO-160D and whichever TSO applies to GPS antennas,
appropriately modified to cover L2 reception).
It doesn't provide (I assume) integrity signals - though likely it could
with little additional effort.
Aparently Starfire also uses the WAAS ephemeris/clock data even if it is
not as accurate as Starfire's own eph/clk data.
Finally, there may be various forms of liability issues both on the part
of JD and the national airspace services.
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> NASA JPL operates a Global Differential GPS system with worldwide
> coverage. They claim 10cm performance.
> http://www.gdgps.net/
> 'The NASA Global Differential GPS (GDGPS) System is a complete, highly
> accurate, and extremely robust real-time GPS monitoring and
> augmentation system'.
> I believe the John Deere Starfire commercial service is based upon the
> NASA system.
> Why can't airplanes use it ?
> coverage. They claim 10cm performance.
> http://www.gdgps.net/
> 'The NASA Global Differential GPS (GDGPS) System is a complete, highly
> accurate, and extremely robust real-time GPS monitoring and
> augmentation system'.
> I believe the John Deere Starfire commercial service is based upon the
> NASA system.
> Why can't airplanes use it ?
First off it's proprietary - something WAAS/EGNOS avoid. Airlines are
loathe to add equipment and pay operating fees for it. (Not to mention
that JD would have to build (or have an avionics firm design, build and
certify) airborne Starfire receivers.
Secondly, Starfire receivers are L1+L2. More expensive than L1
receivers. L1+L2(codeless) phase comparisons provide for a lot of local
PR correction due to ionospheric delays. The data downloaded by
Starfire is thus limited to non-iono effects (ephemeris error, clock error).
So, an aviation certified L1/L2 antenna would be needed as well (I don't
know if any exist but surely a military antenna could be put through the
paces for DO-160D and whichever TSO applies to GPS antennas,
appropriately modified to cover L2 reception).
It doesn't provide (I assume) integrity signals - though likely it could
with little additional effort.
Aparently Starfire also uses the WAAS ephemeris/clock data even if it is
not as accurate as Starfire's own eph/clk data.
Finally, there may be various forms of liability issues both on the part
of JD and the national airspace services.
--
gmail originated posts filtered due to spam.
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> kept at NM (Not Monitored) level, preventing its use for safety of
> life applications, however in the last few days, its ranging improved
> to UDRE 50 meters, which allows it to contribute for non precision
> approaches.
> With this improvement now all 3 WAAS satellites have ranging useable
> for navigation. The other two WAAS satellites usually work at UDRE 7.5
> meters which allows it to contribute even to precision approaches.
> In contrast, GPS satellites normally operate at 3 meters UDRE, the
> best accuracy WAAS allows any ranging source to achieve.
> PRN133 has been performing at UDRE of 50 with some degradation to 150.
> This is most useful in South America since PRN133 has the best view of
> South America of all GEOs, and with a WAAS compatible receiver capable
> of tracking two SBAS GEOs, you would effectively get two extra GPS
> satellites.