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On Jan 7, 3:43=A0pm, wolfgang.rupprecht+gnus201...@gmail.com (Wolfgang
S. Rupprecht) wrote:
> > number and opens the microphone but not the speaker.
> > Are you paranoid ENOUGH, Citizen?
> > Are you paranoid ENOUGH, Citizen?
> I like to play the game in the other direction -- how would *I* design a
> trojan phone. =A0Turning on a transmitter is probably too risky. =A0There
> are too many ways to spot that. =A0Much safer would be to just cache the
> audio and/or gps possitions to flash and upload the data when the main
> battery is put back in. =A0The beauty is that in addition to taking the
> battery out, someone could even wrap the phone in tin foil and the
> trojan would still be able to work.
> I've read of a case where the FBI got into trouble for turning on
> someone's On-Star cell-phone remotely and listening in to the
> conversations inside the suspects car. =A0The judge at the trial wasn't
> happy about that, but sadly it wasn't for privacy reasons, but because
> they did it in a way that precluded normal service and that deprived him
> of a service that he was paying for.
> -wolfgang
> --
> Wolfgang S. Rupprecht
> If the airwaves belong to the public why does the public only get 3
> non-overlapping WIFI channels?
> trojan phone. =A0Turning on a transmitter is probably too risky. =A0There
> are too many ways to spot that. =A0Much safer would be to just cache the
> audio and/or gps possitions to flash and upload the data when the main
> battery is put back in. =A0The beauty is that in addition to taking the
> battery out, someone could even wrap the phone in tin foil and the
> trojan would still be able to work.
> I've read of a case where the FBI got into trouble for turning on
> someone's On-Star cell-phone remotely and listening in to the
> conversations inside the suspects car. =A0The judge at the trial wasn't
> happy about that, but sadly it wasn't for privacy reasons, but because
> they did it in a way that precluded normal service and that deprived him
> of a service that he was paying for.
> -wolfgang
> --
> Wolfgang S. Rupprecht
> If the airwaves belong to the public why does the public only get 3
> non-overlapping WIFI channels?
Even if you don't pay for On-Star or similar services, it is possible
law enforcement would turn on your tracker, much like they still pay
Usama Bin Laden's satellite phone bill even though he doesn't use it
anymore.
There are "find your phone" applications that have the option to turn
the phone on remotely and listen.
On Wed, 6 Jan 2010 00:59:10 -0800 (PST), miso@sushi.com wrote:
> I was surfing on a coffee shop's wifi and a geolocation question
> popped up. I don't recall the exact circumstances. My recollection is
> it asked for a location to be confirmed. So I suspect some of the
> location data is based on the honor system, but here is the real
> question. If you have a GPS on your cell phone, and you surf via wifi,
> it seems to me there is a possibility that some service could find
> your location via the GPS and then tag it to that MAC.
> popped up. I don't recall the exact circumstances. My recollection is
> it asked for a location to be confirmed. So I suspect some of the
> location data is based on the honor system, but here is the real
> question. If you have a GPS on your cell phone, and you surf via wifi,
> it seems to me there is a possibility that some service could find
> your location via the GPS and then tag it to that MAC.
THAT would be amusing. Because the MAC, in that case as far as any
"exploit" would be concerned, would be close to the client. That is, the
phone. Which moves. "Mobile broadband" products and cellphone tethering
can make it even more fun. I've dragged MACs and associated IP addresses
with me for hundreds of miles that way.
--
On Usenet, webforums and blogs (oh my!) the rational explanation spawns
its own infinite number of irrational explanations.
-- Andrews' Modification of Staples' Observation
> On Wed, 6 Jan 2010 00:59:10 -0800 (PST), m...@sushi.com wrote:
> > I was surfing on a coffee shop's wifi and a geolocation question
> > popped up. I don't recall the exact circumstances. My recollection is
> > it asked for a location to be confirmed. So I suspect some of the
> > location data is based on the honor system, but here is the real
> > question. If you have a GPS on your cell phone, and you surf via wifi,
> > it seems to me there is a possibility that some service could find
> > your location via the GPS and then tag it to that MAC.
> > popped up. I don't recall the exact circumstances. My recollection is
> > it asked for a location to be confirmed. So I suspect some of the
> > location data is based on the honor system, but here is the real
> > question. If you have a GPS on your cell phone, and you surf via wifi,
> > it seems to me there is a possibility that some service could find
> > your location via the GPS and then tag it to that MAC.
> THAT would be amusing. Because the MAC, in that case as far as any
> "exploit" would be concerned, would be close to the client. That is, the
> phone. Which moves. "Mobile broadband" products and cellphone tethering
> can make it even more fun. I've dragged MACs and associated IP addresses
> with me for hundreds of miles that way.
> --
> On Usenet, webforums and blogs (oh my!) the rational explanation spawns
> its own infinite number of irrational explanations.
> =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 -- Andrews' Modification of Staples' Observat=
ion
> "exploit" would be concerned, would be close to the client. That is, the
> phone. Which moves. "Mobile broadband" products and cellphone tethering
> can make it even more fun. I've dragged MACs and associated IP addresses
> with me for hundreds of miles that way.
> --
> On Usenet, webforums and blogs (oh my!) the rational explanation spawns
> its own infinite number of irrational explanations.
> =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 -- Andrews' Modification of Staples' Observat=
Back in the day, a tethered T-Mobile phone would show up as located on
the East Coast (NY or NJ), even when you are on the West Coast. It had
to do with T-Mobile using Omnitel networking after a buy out. Nowadays
my tethering shows up as Los Angeles, no matter where I am.
> > obvious battery, you probably haven't verified TODAY that your phone
> > doesn't have an auxiliary battery someplace inside it, that will power
> > it via the modified firmware that intercepts the power-off mode to
> > instead kill all the displays and place a silent call to a predetermine=