NO positive leap second will be introduced at the end of December 2011

 

 
What a bunch of incompetent frauds.

The basis for these ridiculous 'leap second' corrections is based on
attaching significance to  planetary dynamics  via right ascension
which is why they assume 366 1/4 rotations each orbital circuit by
employing a type of reasoning that should embarrass people.

Enough of this nonsense,the leap day correction of Feb 29th 2012
closes out 4 orbital circuits of 1461 rotations and not 1465
rotations.It is not enough that these people make fools of themselves
but this is our generation who are the first to see the complete lapse
of reasoning which saw something as stupid as a 'leap second'
correction emerge when it only needs Feb 29th to obliterate that
reasoning.

The people who created the error are not responsible as the error is
easy enough to make even if the consequences are terrible,but
this,this generation who can clearly see the nuts and bolts where the
calendar system and planetary dynamics mesh and separate will end up
the most despised of all insofar as knowing the thing is wrong yet
can't act on it.

You are to be commended for continuing to propagate this nonsense
Sam,it only goes to show how indoctrinated people are rather than how
they pride the ability to reason and adapt to proper conceptions.

 

Now look whatyu have done.
You've woken the troll once again.

[snip repetiotions from 2007, 2008, ...]

Now that you are here again please answer the simple question
from long ago that you were evading again and again:

Please answer a simple question:
A) the period of a Foucault pendulum is
    24h 00' 00'' / sin(geographical latitude)
or
B) the period of a Foucault pendulum is
   23h 56' 04'' / sin(geographical latitude)
(that is 24h or 23h56', at the poles)

What will it be, A or B?

Jan

 On Jul 8, 5:54=A0pm, nos...@de-ster.demon.nl (J. J. Lodder) wrote:

Son,the addiction to right ascension is generating the belief that
there are 366 1/4 rotations in 365 1/4 days -

"The Earth spins on its axis about 366 and 1/4 times each year, but
there are only 365 and 1/4 days per year." NASA

With or without clocks,the Earth turns 1461 times across 4 orbital
circuits or,in timekeeping terms,1461 days in 4 calendar years with
Feb 29th closing out the 1461 st rotation.

No clocks necessary,if you can count the times the temperature rises
and falls daily in tandem with the day/night cycle,you can then
express that,despite the cruel fate of NASA ,they no longer have a
spacecraft nor can they express astronomical facts such as why there
are 365 1/4 rotations per orbital circuit.Go ahead,I assure you if you
continue counting,you will discover that when Feb 29th comes around
next year,it will reflect a proportion that your and your buddies
apparently can't comprehend.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/weather/forecast/65?&search=3Drome&itemsPerPage=3D10&=
region=3Dworld

If you can squeeze 1465 rotations across 4 years/orbital circuits and
this is what attaching daily rotation to stellar circumpolar motion
leads to then good for you,I wouldn't want to hear about it but that
is what you get when you are stuck with a late 17th century mistake of
trying to model celestial motions with timepieces.

 On 7/8/11 12:43 PM, oriel36 wrote:

   No -- Ascension and declination is a very convenient coordinate
   system for the sky.

   It is *measured* that there are 366.242199 rotations of the
   earth per astronomical year. Observable fact, Gerald! Two sticks
   sighting a star on successive nights is in exact agreement with
   laser gyros, Foucault pendulum an all other measures of the earth's
   rotation.

   Leap second are design to keep rotational measurement and timing
   systems, civil, scientific and military in sync with one second.

   Gerald, your rants, based on your lack of science and math education
   is not appreciated!

 

[snip more evasions]

So, still no answer,

Jan

 On Jul 8, 9:01=A0pm, nos...@de-ster.demon.nl (J. J. Lodder) wrote:

You are fine,there was a guy last year called 'badastrobuster' who
tried this type of stuff but I am not interested in chasing down this
irritating type of individual and so what if you believe the Earth
rotates 366 1/4 times in a year,it means the basic cause and effect of
day turning to night and temperature fluctuations can't be accounted
for within the proportion of 1461 rotations for 4 orbital circuits or
365 1/4 rotations to 1 orbital circuit.

All the reader has to do is shift the focus to the calendar system
which began Mar 1st 2008 and ends Feb 29th 2012 where the 1461 days
over 4 years transfers to 1461 rotations across 4 orbital circuits.

You are evading nothing,you are simply playing to your cult and
removing indoctrination is not in my portfolio,simply finding sane
people who have a sense that astronomical facts are not trivia and
when you get things wrong,the whole thing stops dead.Most are
overgrown pupils anyway clamoring for approval but genuine men don't
seek that as shared understanding and an intense satisfaction is a
reward in itself.

 

[snip more evasions]

Crickets chirping,

Jan

 

oriel36 schrieb:


Hello,

the year 2000 was a leap year, but the years 1900, 1800 and 1700 were no
leap years and the year 2100 will be no leap year too. 365 1/4 days is
not the exact value, it is only rounded with to decimals after the
point, not more.

Bye

 
You poor things,being off by close to 4 rotations across 4 orbital
circuits is quite a feat as all it takes is basic arithmetic to count
the 1461 days and rotations that make up 4 years and 4 orbital
circuits,daily and orbital motions are separate so that when viewed
from the standpoint of 24 hour rotations and days,Feb 29th as another
day and rotation accounts for the orbital drift that occurs through
Mar 1st every non leap year.

No point in going into further details such as the 11 minute orbital
discrepancy which separates 365 days 5 hours 49 minutes from the
idealized calendar format of 365 1/4 rotations when you have a
mindnumbing 366 1/4 rotations as a balance for 1 orbital circuit.On a
scale of 1 to 10,this Ra/Dec driven error is unlike anything seen
before and is simply 10 on a catastrophic scale for trying to squeeze
1465 rotations into 4 orbital circuits despite having cause and effect
before readers in terms of  the 1461 day/night cycles and subsequently
the 1461 times the temperature fluctuates across 4 years telling
readers that the balance is 365 1/4 rotations per circuit.

You have these guys trying their level best to make something out of a
'leap second' tied to daily rotation while forgetting or not knowing
what the Feb 29th leap  day correction does in restoring the
proportional balance between the number of rotations in a year/orbital
circuit and  this macro view the current fad  look catastrophically
dumb,not bad,not poor,sheer and utter intellectual desolation.

Do you want to explain what Feb 29th does while adhering to 1465
rotations for 4 orbital circuits then good luck to you,you can always
step back,look at the bigger picture and come to the only possible
conclusion as a person who prides their intelligence.

 
[snip crqp]

See, Sam, you've done it again.

-Please- don't crosspost, ever.

It only brings in the nutters,

Jan

 On Jul 14, 9:09=A0pm, nos...@de-ster.demon.nl (J. J. Lodder) wrote:

I seem to remember that you said you are Dutch but considering that
the earliest recorded reference to the system which uses the daily
rotation of the Earth at a rate of 15 degrees per hour to fix location
using a watch comes from Gemma Frisius and later Christian Huygens.

You numbskulls assume 1465 rotations for 4 orbital circuits and that
is not defying your own history,that is pretty much the dumbest thing
a person can possibly imagine.

I don't get satisfaction teaching people about their own history ans
especially countrymen who have decided to jettison their own heritage
for a stupid idea that right ascension and stellar circumpolar motion
reflects rotation of the Earth through 360 degrees and then on to the
mindnumbing belief in 366 1/4 rotations in 365 1/4 days despite the
Feb 29th rotation  screaming out loud that daily and orbital motions
are distinct from each other hence the proportion close enough to 1461
rotations for 4 orbital circuits.

'Leap second' indeed !.

 

You misremembered, I never said such a thing.

But the crickets are still chirping.


And your answer is?

Jan

 On Jul 14, 9:09=A0pm, nos...@de-ster.demon.nl (J. J. Lodder) wrote:

Indeed! Here's another one:

Latest kelleher diatribe:

"How Harrison detested the small minds of empiricists ,they even claim
him as one of their own yet still refuse to accept his treatise on
timekeepers and rotation at a rate of 15 degrees per hour.The fact
that Harrison checked the accuracy of his watch by the return of a
star 3 minutes 56 seconds earlier using the calendar format of 365
days and 1 year of 366 days hardly matters to these weasels who take
the name of Englishmen and are traitors to their own heritage -

"Now, in the former part of this book, I have treated about matters
pertaining to the strictness of measuring time; and have shewn the
deficiencies of such means as Mr. Graham had taken or made use of for
that purpose; and I have also treated of the improper, troublesome,
erroneous - tedious method, which the professors at Cambridge and
Oxford would have to be for the longitude at sea:" Harrison

" But indeed, had I continued under the hands of the rude
commissioners, this completion,  or great accomplishment, neither ,
nor could, ever have been obtained; but however, providence otherwise
ordered the matter, and I  can now boldly say, that if the provision
for the heat and cold could  properly be in the balance
itself, as it is in the pendulum, the watch [or my longitude time-
keeper] would then perform to a few seconds in a year, yea, to such
perfection now are imaginary impossibilities conquered; so the priests
at Cambridge and Oxford, &c. may cease their pursuit in the affair,
and as otherwise  then to occupy their time." John Harrison

The empirical numbskulls who chart their heritage to the Cambridge/
Oxford can't compete no more than they could with Harrison,they
probably even imagine putting two sticks in the ground and watch a
star return reflects daily rotation but history has never been kind to
these ignominious creatures,all that is left is the judgement of
Harrison who was a one man version of NASA when it had a direction and
a vision  of human endeavor.For those who claim John Harrison
achievement as coming from their heritage while openly cursing it will
have to live with their treachery for history will be as cruel to them
in time as they were to their own contemporaries -

"The application of a Timekeeper to this discovery is founded upon the
following principles: the earth's surface is divided into 360 equal
parts (by imaginary lines drawn from North to South) which are called
Degrees of Longitude; and its daily revolution Eastward round its own
axis is performed in 24 hours; consequently in that period, each of
those imaginary lines or degrees, becomes successively opposite to the
Sun (which makes the noon or precise middle of the day at each of
those degrees;) and it must follow, that from the time any one of
those lines passes the Sun, till the next passes, must be just four
minutes, for 24 hours being divided by 360 will give that quantity; so
that for every degree of Longitude we sail Westward, it will be noon
with us four minutes the later, and for every degree Eastward four
minutes the sooner, and so on in proportion for any greater or less
quantity. Now, the exact time of the day at the place where we are,
can be ascertained by well known and easy observations of the Sun if
visible for a few minutes at any time from his being ten degrees high
until within an hour of noon, or from an hour after noon until he is
only 10 degrees high in the afternoon; if therefore, at any time when
such observation is made, a Timekeeper tells us at the same moment
what o'clock it is at the place we sailed from, our Longitude is
clearly discovered." John Harrison

That is a true Englishman,what exists in this forum are traitors ,I
don't say it,Harrison and his achievement  passes that judgement."

Are we having fun yet?

 On 7/14/11 2:09 PM, J. J. Lodder wrote:

   Point taken!
  -Sam

 

Why should that be a problem at all, since we still adhere to 1461 day/
night cycles for 4 orbital circuits?

We just don't call a day/night cycle a rotation because (as the
Equation of Time shows) it doesn't have a uniform duration in
(mechanical) time. But we can still work with and count day/night
cycles to make leap years.

John Savard

 wrote:

It is one of those things where a person is required to step way
back,look at the wider picture where the timekeeping system meshes
with planetary dynamics,both daily rotation and orbital motion,and
takes in the breathtaking system both in is subtlety and the
horrendous error which attached itself to that system via trying to
justify daily rotation and orbital motion through right ascension and
stellar circumpolar motion.

It is an astonishing situation to be out an entire 24 hour rotation/
86400 seconds per orbital circuit and this is why proposing 366 1/4
rotations per orbital circuit puts these individual 'leap second'
corrections in perspective,it comes across as a bad joke rather than
what the proponents of the 'leap second' try to make out.Again,the
purpose of Feb 29th more or less explains why there are not 1465
rotations per circuit as the 'leap second' proponents assume,there are
1461 rotations to 4 orbital circuits which reduces to 365 1/4 to 1
orbital circuit.

The system whereby humans gauge the number of orbital circuits using
full rotations is a marvel in itself and extremely old,it is about
time that readers return to the stability of that system before making
conjectures which are at variance with the technical details of the
system and common sense.

 

2100 will be the first year divisible by 100 that was nowhere a Leap
Year,  In 1900, Russia and Greece were still on the Julian Calendar.
See <http://www.tondering.dk/claus/calendar.html> .

The small American Olympic team is said to have nearly missed the first
  Games (Athens, 1896), as the Greeks had given Julian dates.
The Imperial Russian Olympic Team, using the Julian Calendar, is said
  to have arrived twelve days too late for the 1908 London Games.


You post from Germany - ii is hard to say whether in Protestant Germany
1700 was or was not Leap. since 18 Feb was followed by 1 Mar.  OTOH, as
the Julian Calendar was there abandoned after Feb 18, 1700 must be an
example of a Leap Year not containing Feb 29.

Don't plan on visiting Samoa on Fri Dec 30 next.

--
 (c) John Stockton, nr London, UK.    ?@merlyn.demon.co.uk     Turnpike v6.05.
 Website  <http://www.merlyn.demon.co.uk/>  - w. FAQish topics, links, acronyms
 PAS EXE etc. : <http://www.merlyn.demon.co.uk/programs/>  - see in 00index.htm
 Dates - miscdate.htm estrdate.htm js-dates.htm pas-time.htm critdate.htm etc.

 wrote:


Let's just say that 1700 was not a leap year in the proleptic
Gregorian calendar in Germany, and it was not a leap year in the
(plain old) Gregorian calendar period in Roman Catholic nations.

There are cases when one must keep the confusion of calendars into
account, but if one *can* avoid worrying about it...

And then, of course, the Orthodox countries that have converted from
the old Julian calendar have done so *not* to the Gregorian calendar,
but to one with a 900-year cycle of leap years.

Thus, 1500, 2000, 2400, and 2900 are leap century years in that
system, with alternating 500 and 400 year distances between leap
century years. The alternative, to maintain that level of accuracy,
would be to omit the year 4000 as a leap century year in the Gregorian
system.

John Savard

 wrote:

Empiricists can't handle the bigger picture which centers on the
purpose of Feb 29th as completing 1461 rotations across 4 orbital
circuits so all it amounts to is interpreting  temperature
fluctuations as a means of extracting the rotation of the Earth -

http://www.flickr.com/photos/mitopencourseware/3038478945/lightbox/

The only fact people are supposed to affirm is that 1461 days across 4
years transfers to 1461 rotations across 4 orbital circuits which
reduces to 365 1/4 rotations per circuit.It is efficient and puts this
nonsense of varying the 86400 second day into perspective by some type
of mindnumbing reasoning that is an assault on the eyes.

therefore it shall be, that the year of 360 days and the 5 days added
to their end, so one day as feast of Benevolent Gods [the pharaoh and
family] be from this day after every 4 years added to the 5 epagomenae
before the New Year, whereby all men shall learn, that what was a
little defective in the order as regards the seasons and the year, as
also the opinions which are contained in the rules of the learned on
the heavenly orbits, are now corrected and improved by the Benevolent
Gods [the pharaoh and family]."  Canopus decree

http://www.reshafim.org.il/ad/egypt/texts/canopus_decree.htm

So here we are in the 21st century among people who truly believe
there are 1465 rotations in 4 years thereby creating an abysmal
imbalance between 1461 days and 1461 rotations and not even bothered
that a temperature legend basically affirms what every astronomer knew
until they decided otherwise in the late 17th century.

What is it easier to do,call you incompetent frauds or people
genuinely concerned that the 'predictive ' convenience of Ra/Dec has
its limitation and is absurd to apply to daily and orbital dynamics
via right ascension ?.Anyone who imagines there are 366 1/4 rotations
in an orbital circuit ,and empiricists genuinely believe it,is not
qualified to comment on any other relationship between timekeeping
averages and planetary dynamics.