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>> J. J. Lodder wrote..
>> >> > And FYI, those who have a use for highly technical papers
>> >> > such as this one don't need a newsgroup to find what they need.
>> >> > They have better ways,
>> >> some example ?
>> > If you have to ask ....
>> >> > such as this one don't need a newsgroup to find what they need.
>> >> > They have better ways,
>> >> some example ?
>> > If you have to ask ....
>> Well actually I would be very grateful to know. In common with the
>> majority
>> of professional physicists I routinely use on-line indexing resources
>> such
>> as the Citation Index, the IOP & AIP facilities, Elsevier etc. However
>> these all require subscriptions before they can be used - particularly if
>> you actually want to read a paper once you have found it. Due to a round
>> of
>> redundancies at work it is likely that I will soon find myself without
>> these
>> resources and so I would very much like to know of the "better ways" of
>> which you speak!
>> Apart from that, my experience is that scientists are frequently made
>> aware
>> of key papers by word of mouth (or email) by other workers in the field.
>> Unless you have a special conference edition of a journal, you will find
>> that the average edition of a publication covering your particular field
>> will contain very few, if any, papers of direct relevance to your
>> research
>> interests and so it is very easy to overlook key papers, particularly as
>> you
>> may have to keep up with dozens of journals. Thus notifications by
>> colleagues, exactly along the lines of Sam's, play an extremely important
>> part in keeping up to date within the professional community.
>> majority
>> of professional physicists I routinely use on-line indexing resources
>> such
>> as the Citation Index, the IOP & AIP facilities, Elsevier etc. However
>> these all require subscriptions before they can be used - particularly if
>> you actually want to read a paper once you have found it. Due to a round
>> of
>> redundancies at work it is likely that I will soon find myself without
>> these
>> resources and so I would very much like to know of the "better ways" of
>> which you speak!
>> Apart from that, my experience is that scientists are frequently made
>> aware
>> of key papers by word of mouth (or email) by other workers in the field.
>> Unless you have a special conference edition of a journal, you will find
>> that the average edition of a publication covering your particular field
>> will contain very few, if any, papers of direct relevance to your
>> research
>> interests and so it is very easy to overlook key papers, particularly as
>> you
>> may have to keep up with dozens of journals. Thus notifications by
>> colleagues, exactly along the lines of Sam's, play an extremely important
>> part in keeping up to date within the professional community.
> You will find few professional scientists on usenet.
> (some moderated groups excepted)
> Most have better things to do,
> Jan
> (some moderated groups excepted)
> Most have better things to do,
> Jan
From that I assume you are not a professional scientist, which explains why
you failed to answer my question! I think that you will find that most
professional scientists will play outside their specialisms - I am a
semiconductor physicist but have a recreational interest in the technical
aspects of GPS, lighting and theatre technology, amongst other things. All
of these topics are served by excellent usenet newsgroups, which enable
international discussion of topics that I would not normally be able to
discuss with colleagues in my day-job specialism.
In general I find usenet invaluable to my work - particularly in IT based
areas - and a lot of my scientific software development owes a great debt to
advice begged from such forums. Obviously you have no idea of that about
that of which you speak!
David
> >> J. J. Lodder wrote..
> >> >> > And FYI, those who have a use for highly technical papers
> >> >> > such as this one don't need a newsgroup to find what they need.
> >> >> > They have better ways,
> >> >> some example ?
> >> > If you have to ask ....
> >> Well actually I would be very grateful to know. In common with the
> >> majority
> >> of professional physicists I routinely use on-line indexing resources
> >> such
> >> as the Citation Index, the IOP & AIP facilities, Elsevier etc. However
> >> these all require subscriptions before they can be used - particularly if
> >> you actually want to read a paper once you have found it. Due to a round
> >> of
> >> redundancies at work it is likely that I will soon find myself without
> >> these
> >> resources and so I would very much like to know of the "better ways" of
> >> which you speak!
> >> Apart from that, my experience is that scientists are frequently made
> >> aware
> >> of key papers by word of mouth (or email) by other workers in the field.
> >> Unless you have a special conference edition of a journal, you will find
> >> that the average edition of a publication covering your particular field
> >> will contain very few, if any, papers of direct relevance to your
> >> research
> >> interests and so it is very easy to overlook key papers, particularly as
> >> you
> >> may have to keep up with dozens of journals. Thus notifications by
> >> colleagues, exactly along the lines of Sam's, play an extremely important
> >> part in keeping up to date within the professional community.
> >> >> > And FYI, those who have a use for highly technical papers
> >> >> > such as this one don't need a newsgroup to find what they need.
> >> >> > They have better ways,
> >> >> some example ?
> >> > If you have to ask ....
> >> Well actually I would be very grateful to know. In common with the
> >> majority
> >> of professional physicists I routinely use on-line indexing resources
> >> such
> >> as the Citation Index, the IOP & AIP facilities, Elsevier etc. However
> >> these all require subscriptions before they can be used - particularly if
> >> you actually want to read a paper once you have found it. Due to a round
> >> of
> >> redundancies at work it is likely that I will soon find myself without
> >> these
> >> resources and so I would very much like to know of the "better ways" of
> >> which you speak!
> >> Apart from that, my experience is that scientists are frequently made
> >> aware
> >> of key papers by word of mouth (or email) by other workers in the field.
> >> Unless you have a special conference edition of a journal, you will find
> >> that the average edition of a publication covering your particular field
> >> will contain very few, if any, papers of direct relevance to your
> >> research
> >> interests and so it is very easy to overlook key papers, particularly as
> >> you
> >> may have to keep up with dozens of journals. Thus notifications by
> >> colleagues, exactly along the lines of Sam's, play an extremely important
> >> part in keeping up to date within the professional community.
> > You will find few professional scientists on usenet.
> > (some moderated groups excepted)
> > Most have better things to do,
> > Jan
> > (some moderated groups excepted)
> > Most have better things to do,
> > Jan
>
> From that I assume you are not a professional scientist, which explains why
> you failed to answer my question! I think that you will find that most
> professional scientists will play outside their specialisms - I am a
> semiconductor physicist but have a recreational interest in the technical
> aspects of GPS, lighting and theatre technology, amongst other things. All
> of these topics are served by excellent usenet newsgroups, which enable
> international discussion of topics that I would not normally be able to
> discuss with colleagues in my day-job specialism.
>
> In general I find usenet invaluable to my work - particularly in IT based
> areas - and a lot of my scientific software development owes a great debt to
> advice begged from such forums. Obviously you have no idea of that about
> that of which you speak!
> From that I assume you are not a professional scientist, which explains why
> you failed to answer my question! I think that you will find that most
> professional scientists will play outside their specialisms - I am a
> semiconductor physicist but have a recreational interest in the technical
> aspects of GPS, lighting and theatre technology, amongst other things. All
> of these topics are served by excellent usenet newsgroups, which enable
> international discussion of topics that I would not normally be able to
> discuss with colleagues in my day-job specialism.
>
> In general I find usenet invaluable to my work - particularly in IT based
> areas - and a lot of my scientific software development owes a great debt to
> advice begged from such forums. Obviously you have no idea of that about
> that of which you speak!
You are changing subjects.
It was research scientists talking about their research subjects,
on usenet. (outside moderated groups such as spr)
Best,
Jan
On Sun, 8 May 2005 23:08:29 +0200, nospam@de-ster.demon.nl (J. J.
Lodder) wrote:
>> J. J. Lodder wrote the following rubbish...
>> >> Jan--Let me quietly tell you that when I post an announcement from
>> >> a government source, I'm not likely to edit the title capitalization
>> >> as it is a pain in the gazingus. I suggest you ignore such posts that
>> >> I make or put me in a kill file.
>> > Well no, Sam.
>> > I truly appreciate your attemps,
>> > and I do feel that there is a place in a public forum
>> > for announcements of general utility.
>> > However, I also think that whoever does so
>> > should respect his audience,
>> > and take some trouble selecting, editing, and explaining
>> > why the posting maybe of use.
>> > You shouldn't just drag'ndrop.
>> > After all, by posting in a public forum you are asking for attention.
>> > And 'put me in a kill-file if you don't like it'
>> > is a typical spammer's response.
>> >> a government source, I'm not likely to edit the title capitalization
>> >> as it is a pain in the gazingus. I suggest you ignore such posts that
>> >> I make or put me in a kill file.
>> > Well no, Sam.
>> > I truly appreciate your attemps,
>> > and I do feel that there is a place in a public forum
>> > for announcements of general utility.
>> > However, I also think that whoever does so
>> > should respect his audience,
>> > and take some trouble selecting, editing, and explaining
>> > why the posting maybe of use.
>> > You shouldn't just drag'ndrop.
>> > After all, by posting in a public forum you are asking for attention.
>> > And 'put me in a kill-file if you don't like it'
>> > is a typical spammer's response.
>>
>> Please note that this newsgroup falls under the sci.geo heirarchy. It isn't
>> .alt nor .rec nor even exclusively GPS. If you object to the posting of
>> relevant scientific material such as this then you should either filter it
>> out or preferably shift your attention to alt.teletubbies.simple-gps!
>> Please note that this newsgroup falls under the sci.geo heirarchy. It isn't
>> .alt nor .rec nor even exclusively GPS. If you object to the posting of
>> relevant scientific material such as this then you should either filter it
>> out or preferably shift your attention to alt.teletubbies.simple-gps!
>Nonsense. Usenet isn't a medium for publishing abstracts.
>Scientist being what they are, they produce -lots- of papers.
>Announcing them all here would destroy sci.geo.satellite-nav
>as a viable newsgroup.
>And this particular one doesn't differ significantly
>from hundreds of others that might be also be mirrored.
>And FYI, those who have a use for highly technical papers
>such as this one don't need a newsgroup to find what they need.
>They have better ways,
>Jan
>Scientist being what they are, they produce -lots- of papers.
>Announcing them all here would destroy sci.geo.satellite-nav
>as a viable newsgroup.
>And this particular one doesn't differ significantly
>from hundreds of others that might be also be mirrored.
>And FYI, those who have a use for highly technical papers
>such as this one don't need a newsgroup to find what they need.
>They have better ways,
>Jan
Then why do you need this newsgroup? There's little enough
evidence that it needs you.
>
J. J. Lodder wrote:
>
>
>
>>J. J. Lodder wrote:
>>>>On Sat, 7 May 2005 14:11:23 +0200, nospam@de-ster.demon.nl (J. J.
>>>>Lodder) wrote:
>>>>>THERE IS NO NEED TO SHOUT, WE can hear you easily.
>>>>Grow up and understand ascii, son.
>>>>>If you look at the paper you'll see it has nothing to do with GPS,
>>>>Where do you see the letters "g" "p" "s" in the name of this group?
>>>You did bother to read the Subject: header?
>>>Clearly not, so here we have a nice illustration:
>>>SHOUTING ACTUALLY GETS YOU LESS ATTENTION,
>>>rather than more,
>>>Jan
>>>>Lodder) wrote:
>>>>>THERE IS NO NEED TO SHOUT, WE can hear you easily.
>>>>Grow up and understand ascii, son.
>>>>>If you look at the paper you'll see it has nothing to do with GPS,
>>>>Where do you see the letters "g" "p" "s" in the name of this group?
>>>You did bother to read the Subject: header?
>>>Clearly not, so here we have a nice illustration:
>>>SHOUTING ACTUALLY GETS YOU LESS ATTENTION,
>>>rather than more,
>>>Jan
>> Jan--Let me quietly tell you that when I post an announcement from
>> a government source, I'm not likely to edit the title capitalization
>> as it is a pain in the gazingus. I suggest you ignore such posts that
>> I make or put me in a kill file.
>> a government source, I'm not likely to edit the title capitalization
>> as it is a pain in the gazingus. I suggest you ignore such posts that
>> I make or put me in a kill file.
>
>
> Well no, Sam.
> I truly appreciate your attemps,
> and I do feel that there is a place in a public forum
> for announcements of general utility.
>
> However, I also think that whoever does so
> should respect his audience,
> and take some trouble selecting, editing, and explaining
> why the posting maybe of use.
> You shouldn't just drag'ndrop.
>
> After all, by posting in a public forum you are asking for attention.
> And 'put me in a kill-file if you don't like it'
> is a typical spammer's response.
>
> Best,
>
> Jan
>
>
>
> Well no, Sam.
> I truly appreciate your attemps,
> and I do feel that there is a place in a public forum
> for announcements of general utility.
>
> However, I also think that whoever does so
> should respect his audience,
> and take some trouble selecting, editing, and explaining
> why the posting maybe of use.
> You shouldn't just drag'ndrop.
>
> After all, by posting in a public forum you are asking for attention.
> And 'put me in a kill-file if you don't like it'
> is a typical spammer's response.
>
> Best,
>
> Jan
>
>
No, seriously, Jan, this newsgroup will likely be better off if
*you* put me in *your* kill file. Then things will tend to get back
to normal.
> J. J. Lodder wrote:
> >> Jan--Let me quietly tell you that when I post an announcement from
> >> a government source, I'm not likely to edit the title capitalization
> >> as it is a pain in the gazingus. I suggest you ignore such posts that
> >> I make or put me in a kill file.
> >> a government source, I'm not likely to edit the title capitalization
> >> as it is a pain in the gazingus. I suggest you ignore such posts that
> >> I make or put me in a kill file.
> >
> >
> > Well no, Sam.
> > I truly appreciate your attemps,
> > and I do feel that there is a place in a public forum
> > for announcements of general utility.
> >
> > However, I also think that whoever does so
> > should respect his audience,
> > and take some trouble selecting, editing, and explaining
> > why the posting maybe of use.
> > You shouldn't just drag'ndrop.
> >
> > After all, by posting in a public forum you are asking for attention.
> > And 'put me in a kill-file if you don't like it'
> > is a typical spammer's response.
> >
> > Best,
> >
> > Jan
> >
> >
> >
> > Well no, Sam.
> > I truly appreciate your attemps,
> > and I do feel that there is a place in a public forum
> > for announcements of general utility.
> >
> > However, I also think that whoever does so
> > should respect his audience,
> > and take some trouble selecting, editing, and explaining
> > why the posting maybe of use.
> > You shouldn't just drag'ndrop.
> >
> > After all, by posting in a public forum you are asking for attention.
> > And 'put me in a kill-file if you don't like it'
> > is a typical spammer's response.
> >
> > Best,
> >
> > Jan
> >
> >
>
> No, seriously, Jan, this newsgroup will likely be better off if
> *you* put me in *your* kill file. Then things will tend to get back
> to normal.
> No, seriously, Jan, this newsgroup will likely be better off if
> *you* put me in *your* kill file. Then things will tend to get back
> to normal.
My dear Sam, I will do no such thing.
As I said before, I do appreciate your contributions.
Particularly when you can find the time
to do better than just drag and drop.
And please note that my first response
was for most part a comment -on the scientific content-
of the paper you announced,
of use perhaps to others who hadn't seen it yet.
Your 'normal state' of this forum can't be a black hole
where your announcements just vanish into,
without ever drawing response of the kind this forum is intended for.
This is usenet, you know.
Best,
Jan
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