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Posted by alessandro on September 24, 2007, 2:39 am


Hallo
I've found this file in my pc, but I don't remember in which way I
used to
open it. It is a italy waypoint file.
It starts with something like:

RC        UFI        UNI        LAT        LONG        DMS_LAT        DMS_LONG        UTM        JOG        FC        DSG        PC        CC1        ADM1        ADM2
DIM        CC2        NT        LC        SHORT_FORM        GENERIC        SORT_NAME        FULL_NAME        FULL_NAME_ND
MODIFY_DATE
1        -109809        -170990        43.3833333        11.2        432300        111200        PP70        NK32-03        P        PPL                IT
00                                N                                ABADIAAISOLA        Abadia a Isola        Abadia a Isola        1993-12-10
1        -109810        -170991        45.35        11.7833333        452100        114700        QR12        NL32-09        P        PPL
IT        00                                V                                ABANO        Abano        Abano        1993-12-10
1        -109810        -170992        45.35        11.7833333        452100        114700        QR12        NL32-09        P        PPL
IT        00                                N                                ABANOTERME        Abano Terme        Abano Terme        1993-12-10
1        -109811        -170993        40.1333333        15.35        400800        152100        WE24        NK33-11        P        PPL
IT        00                                N                                ABATEMARCO        Abatemarco        Abatemarco        1993-12-10
1        -109812        -170994        39.7666667        15.8        394600        154800        WE60        NJ33-03        H        STM                IT
00                                V                                ABATEMARCO        Abatemarco        Abatemarco        1993-12-10
1        -109812        -170995        39.7666667        15.8        394600        154800        WE60        NJ33-03        H        STM                IT
00                                N                Abatemarco                ABATEMARCO FIUME        Fiume Abatemarco        Fiume
Abatemarco        1993-12-10
1        18561        22500        40.5094444        17.2041667        403034        171215        XE88        NK33-12        S        HSEC
                IT        00                                N                        Casina        ABATEMELE CASINA        Casina Abatemele        Casina
Abatemele        1994-12-19
1        -109809        -170998        43.3833333        11.2        432300        111200        PP70        NK32-03        P        PPL                IT
00                                V                                ABBADIA        Abbadia        Abbadia        1993-12-10
1        -109814        -170996        43.2166667        13.4        431300        132400        UH78        NK33-01        P        PPL                IT
00                                V                                ABBADIA        Abbadia        Abbadia        1993-12-10
1        -117445        -170997        43.2166667        13.4166667        431300        132500        UH78        NK33-01        S
MSTY                 IT        00                                V                                ABBADIA        Abbadia        Abbadia        1993-12-10
1        -133005        -170999        45.0333333        6.8333333        450200        65000        LQ28        NL32-07        P
PPL                IT        00                                V                                ABBADIA        Abbadia        Abbadia        1993-12-10
1

you can download it from here:
http://www.mediafire.com/?61wggv5dh5r

I would like to recover it because most of the waypoint files shows
only the main villages and cities,
while this one is very detailed.
Any hints?

Ciccio


Posted by dold on September 24, 2007, 5:03 pm


> Hallo
> I've found this file in my pc, but I don't remember in which way I
> used to
> open it. It is a italy waypoint file.
> It starts with something like:

That looks like the Country data from
http://www.nima.mil/gns/html/cntry_files.html World waypoints
If that's the case, gpsbabel can accept it as input.

The it.zip download has 33600 entries, with that header, and at least one
of those waypoints. The gpsbabel included with Google Earth doesn't have
"geonet" as one of the supported file options.
http://www.gpsbabel.org 1.3.4 will work.
gpsbabel -i geonet -f it.txt -o gpx -c ASCII -F it.gpx

> you can download it from here:
> http://www.mediafire.com/?61wggv5dh5r

Nothing personal, but I don't click on automatic things.

--
Clarence A Dold - Hidden Valley Lake, CA, USA GPS: 38.8,-122.5

Posted by dold on September 24, 2007, 7:19 pm


dold@01.usenet.us.com wrote:
> That looks like the Country data from
> http://www.nima.mil/gns/html/cntry_files.html World waypoints
> If that's the case, gpsbabel can accept it as input.

I recall that the data is only accurate to .1 degrees.
Looking at the it.gpx in Google Earth, there is a suspicious regularity to
the points.

--
Clarence A Dold - Hidden Valley Lake, CA, USA GPS: 38.8,-122.5

Posted by onderoots on September 27, 2007, 4:17 am


On Mon, 24 Sep 2007 23:19:08 +0000, dold wrote:

> dold@01.usenet.us.com wrote:
>> That looks like the Country data from
>> http://www.nima.mil/gns/html/cntry_files.html World waypoints
>> If that's the case, gpsbabel can accept it as input.
>
> I recall that the data is only accurate to .1 degrees.
> Looking at the it.gpx in Google Earth, there is a suspicious regularity to
> the points.

Hi everybody.
Sorry for the downloading problem. I just uploaded to the first
online repository I googled. Anyway:
yes the regularity is suspicious and in fact (for example) there are many
small villages that are in the same positions (while I know they are
just few kms away from each other). I have also different versions
of the same file with different extensions (.wpt, ecc..) that have the
same regularity.

What I suppose is that I obtained those versions from a previous one,
with gps babel, and I lost the precision in this procedure (but
which is the original file? I absolutely don't remember even
where I got it!). All other wpt files I got from the net haven't
similar information about small villages and crossroads in
my region.

Whit this accuracy the file is useless.

Question: there are a lot of columns in the .txt file (I just copypaste
some lines below); is it possible that maybe the "lost precision"
resides in these columns? For example, what is the information
stored in DMS_LAT and DMS_LONG?

Greetings

RC        UFI        UNI        LAT        LONG        DMS_LAT        DMS_LONG        UTM        JOG        FC        DSG        PC        CC1        ADM1        ADM2
DIM        CC2        NT        LC        SHORT_FORM        GENERIC        SORT_NAME        FULL_NAME        FULL_NAME_ND
MODIFY_DATE
1        -109809        -170990        43.3833333        11.2        432300        111200        PP70        NK32-03        P        PPL                IT
00                                N                                ABADIAAISOLA        Abadia a Isola        Abadia a Isola        1993-12-10
1        -109810        -170991        45.35        11.7833333        452100        114700        QR12        NL32-09        P        PPL
IT        00                                V                                ABANO        Abano        Abano        1993-12-10
1        -109810        -170992        45.35        11.7833333        452100        114700        QR12        NL32-09        P        PPL
IT        00                                N                                ABANOTERME        Abano Terme        Abano Terme        1993-12-10
1        -109811        -170993        40.1333333        15.35        400800        152100        WE24        NK33-11        P        PPL
IT        00                                N                                ABATEMARCO        Abatemarco        Abatemarco        1993-12-10
1        -109812        -170994        39.7666667        15.8        394600        154800        WE60        NJ33-03        H        STM                IT
00                                V                                ABATEMARCO        Abatemarco        Abatemarco        1993-12-10
1        -109812        -170995        39.7666667        15.8        394600        154800        WE60        NJ33-03        H        STM                IT
00                                N                Abatemarco                ABATEMARCO FIUME        Fiume Abatemarco        Fiume
Abatemarco        1993-12-10
1        18561        22500        40.5094444        17.2041667        403034        171215        XE88        NK33-12        S        HSEC
                IT        00                                N                        Casina        ABATEMELE CASINA        Casina Abatemele        Casina
Abatemele        1994-12-19
1        -109809        -170998        43.3833333        11.2        432300        111200        PP70        NK32-03        P        PPL                IT
00                                V                                ABBADIA        Abbadia        Abbadia        1993-12-10
1        -109814        -170996        43.2166667        13.4        431300        132400        UH78        NK33-01        P        PPL                IT
00                                V                                ABBADIA        Abbadia        Abbadia        1993-12-10
1        -117445        -170997        43.2166667        13.4166667        431300        132500        UH78        NK33-01        S
MSTY                 IT        00                                V                                ABBADIA        Abbadia        Abbadia        1993-12-10
1        -133005        -170999        45.0333333        6.8333333        450200        65000        LQ28        NL32-07        P
PPL                IT        00                                V                                ABBADIA        Abbadia        Abbadia        1993-12-10
1







Posted by dold on September 27, 2007, 12:13 pm


> > dold@01.usenet.us.com wrote:
> >> That looks like the Country data from
> >> http://www.nima.mil/gns/html/cntry_files.html World waypoints

> of the same file with different extensions (.wpt, ecc..) that have the
> same regularity.

Different persons have done the conversion and saved waypoints in different
formats.

> with gps babel, and I lost the precision in this procedure (but

This is a "names" database. The intent is to make the presentation of
names in United States policy consistent for foreign country locations.

> Whit this accuracy the file is useless.

It is probably no better than a basemap for the country on a mapping GPS.
On a non-mapping GPS, I have selected some waypoints for general
orientation.

> Question: there are a lot of columns in the .txt file (I just copypaste
> some lines below); is it possible that maybe the "lost precision"
> resides in these columns? For example, what is the information
> stored in DMS_LAT and DMS_LONG?

Degrees Minutes Seconds instead of decimal. You'll note that the seconds
for most locations are zero. How big is a "minute" in your area of
interest? There are 5373 of the 33600 points in IT that have seconds
noted. I would guess that DMS is the original notation, and the decimal is
provided for convenience.

--
Clarence A Dold - Hidden Valley Lake, CA, USA GPS: 38.8,-122.5

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