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- 10-04-2010
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On the Quantas web page:
http://www.qantas.com.au/travel/airlines/inflight-communications/global/en
we find
"Radio transmission using personal communication devices (including
walkie-talkies, two-way pagers, or global positioning systems) is
prohibited at all stages of flight, as it may interfere with the
aircraft's communication and navigation systems."
So, does that mean that, as long as I agree to make no transmissions
http://www.qantas.com.au/travel/airlines/inflight-communications/global/en
we find
"Radio transmission using personal communication devices (including
walkie-talkies, two-way pagers, or global positioning systems) is
prohibited at all stages of flight, as it may interfere with the
aircraft's communication and navigation systems."
So, does that mean that, as long as I agree to make no transmissions
from my handheld GPS <<Receiver>>, I can use it during the allowed
periods of flight. Seems to be a bit of confusion here...
jmorriss@idirect.com wrote:
Any _consumer_ grade GPS receiver is an RF noise source. IOW
whether intended to be so or not, it is a "transmitter".
Both the FCC (U.S.A.) and VDE (Germany) have volumes of regs on
the subject. 30 years ago I even new the short form references to
applicable regs. IIRC, for the FCC the regs fall under Part 15.
> On the Quantas web page:
> http://www.qantas.com.au/travel/airlines/inflight-communications/global/en
> we find
> "Radio transmission using personal communication devices (including
> walkie-talkies, two-way pagers, or global positioning systems) is
> prohibited at all stages of flight, as it may interfere with the
> aircraft's communication and navigation systems."
> So, does that mean that, as long as I agree to make no transmissions
> http://www.qantas.com.au/travel/airlines/inflight-communications/global/en
> we find
> "Radio transmission using personal communication devices (including
> walkie-talkies, two-way pagers, or global positioning systems) is
> prohibited at all stages of flight, as it may interfere with the
> aircraft's communication and navigation systems."
> So, does that mean that, as long as I agree to make no transmissions
> from my handheld GPS<<Receiver>>, I can use it during the allowed
> periods of flight. Seems to be a bit of confusion here...
Any _consumer_ grade GPS receiver is an RF noise source. IOW
whether intended to be so or not, it is a "transmitter".
Both the FCC (U.S.A.) and VDE (Germany) have volumes of regs on
the subject. 30 years ago I even new the short form references to
applicable regs. IIRC, for the FCC the regs fall under Part 15.
Richard Owlett wrote on Oct 4, 2010:
Do you mean that GPS receivers create more RF noise than laptops, iPods, or
any other of the electronic paraphernalia that are routinely used on-board
aircraft?
--
Mike Lane
UK North Yorkshire
mike_lane at mac dot com
> jmorriss@idirect.com wrote:
>> On the Quantas web page:
>>
>> http://www.qantas.com.au/travel/airlines/inflight-communications/global/en
>>
>> we find
>>
>> "Radio transmission using personal communication devices (including
>> walkie-talkies, two-way pagers, or global positioning systems) is
>> prohibited at all stages of flight, as it may interfere with the
>> aircraft's communication and navigation systems."
>>
>> So, does that mean that, as long as I agree to make no transmissions
>> from my handheld GPS<<Receiver>>, I can use it during the allowed
>> periods of flight. Seems to be a bit of confusion here...
>>
>> http://www.qantas.com.au/travel/airlines/inflight-communications/global/en
>>
>> we find
>>
>> "Radio transmission using personal communication devices (including
>> walkie-talkies, two-way pagers, or global positioning systems) is
>> prohibited at all stages of flight, as it may interfere with the
>> aircraft's communication and navigation systems."
>>
>> So, does that mean that, as long as I agree to make no transmissions
>> from my handheld GPS<<Receiver>>, I can use it during the allowed
>> periods of flight. Seems to be a bit of confusion here...
>
>
> Any _consumer_ grade GPS receiver is an RF noise source. IOW
> whether intended to be so or not, it is a "transmitter".
>
>
> Any _consumer_ grade GPS receiver is an RF noise source. IOW
> whether intended to be so or not, it is a "transmitter".
>
Do you mean that GPS receivers create more RF noise than laptops, iPods, or
any other of the electronic paraphernalia that are routinely used on-board
aircraft?
--
Mike Lane
UK North Yorkshire
mike_lane at mac dot com
Mike Lane wrote:
I didn't say *THAT* ;)
I was making the point that just because something is used as
"receiver" says nothing about it not "transmitting".
As to relative levels, as I said in my original post, my
I also was NOT commenting technical justification of rules of
individual carriers.
> Richard Owlett wrote on Oct 4, 2010:
>> jmorriss@idirect.com wrote:
>>> On the Quantas web page:
>>> http://www.qantas.com.au/travel/airlines/inflight-communications/global/en
>>> we find
>>> "Radio transmission using personal communication devices (including
>>> walkie-talkies, two-way pagers, or global positioning systems) is
>>> prohibited at all stages of flight, as it may interfere with the
>>> aircraft's communication and navigation systems."
>>> So, does that mean that, as long as I agree to make no transmissions
>>> from my handheld GPS<<Receiver>>, I can use it during the allowed
>>> periods of flight. Seems to be a bit of confusion here...
>>> http://www.qantas.com.au/travel/airlines/inflight-communications/global/en
>>> we find
>>> "Radio transmission using personal communication devices (including
>>> walkie-talkies, two-way pagers, or global positioning systems) is
>>> prohibited at all stages of flight, as it may interfere with the
>>> aircraft's communication and navigation systems."
>>> So, does that mean that, as long as I agree to make no transmissions
>>> from my handheld GPS<<Receiver>>, I can use it during the allowed
>>> periods of flight. Seems to be a bit of confusion here...
>> Any _consumer_ grade GPS receiver is an RF noise source. IOW
>> whether intended to be so or not, it is a "transmitter".
>> whether intended to be so or not, it is a "transmitter".
> Do you mean that GPS receivers create more RF noise than laptops, iPods, or
> any other of the electronic paraphernalia that are routinely used on-board
> aircraft?
> any other of the electronic paraphernalia that are routinely used on-board
> aircraft?
I didn't say *THAT* ;)
I was making the point that just because something is used as
"receiver" says nothing about it not "transmitting".
As to relative levels, as I said in my original post, my
experience was >30 years ago. Who knows what current levels are.
I also was NOT commenting technical justification of rules of
individual carriers.
On Mon, 4 Oct 2010 13:27:29 -0700 (PDT), "jmorriss@idirect.com"
IMHO, there is no confusion there: you cannot use a GPS on their
flights. You have no control on what, if any, emissions that a given
GPS might make (just as a cell phone transmits without any user
actions or interventions...)
If the GPS has an 'air-plane' mode as some phones do, that may be
acceptable to the airline, but you'd have to ask them. Some airlines
don't allow powered up phones/PDAs even in air-plane mode, since they
can't enforce the setting or turning on and off of the mode.
>On the Quantas web page:
>http://www.qantas.com.au/travel/airlines/inflight-communications/global/en
>we find
>"Radio transmission using personal communication devices (including
>walkie-talkies, two-way pagers, or global positioning systems) is
>prohibited at all stages of flight, as it may interfere with the
>aircraft's communication and navigation systems."
>So, does that mean that, as long as I agree to make no transmissions
>http://www.qantas.com.au/travel/airlines/inflight-communications/global/en
>we find
>"Radio transmission using personal communication devices (including
>walkie-talkies, two-way pagers, or global positioning systems) is
>prohibited at all stages of flight, as it may interfere with the
>aircraft's communication and navigation systems."
>So, does that mean that, as long as I agree to make no transmissions
>from my handheld GPS <<Receiver>>, I can use it during the allowed
>periods of flight. Seems to be a bit of confusion here...
IMHO, there is no confusion there: you cannot use a GPS on their
flights. You have no control on what, if any, emissions that a given
GPS might make (just as a cell phone transmits without any user
actions or interventions...)
If the GPS has an 'air-plane' mode as some phones do, that may be
acceptable to the airline, but you'd have to ask them. Some airlines
don't allow powered up phones/PDAs even in air-plane mode, since they
can't enforce the setting or turning on and off of the mode.
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