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Posted by Sam Wormley on June 15, 2011, 2:37 pm
End of the Sunspot Cycle?

http://news.sciencemag.org/sciencenow/2011/06/end-of-the-sunspot-cycle.html

"At the press conference, held at the annual meeting of the Solar
Physics Division of the American Astronomical Society in Las Cruces, New
Mexico, three scientists gave a forecast of sorts for the next solar
cycle, number 25. "Cycle 24 may be the last normal one for some time,"
said solar physicist Frank Hill of the National Solar Observatory (NSO)
in Tucson, Arizona, "and the next one, cycle 25, may not happen. The
solar cycle may be going into hiatus, like a TV show." Hill and
colleagues reported on a jet-stream-like flow within the sun that they
have been monitoring since 1995 using "helioseismology," the study of
sun-wide oscillations of the solar surface. They expected the next
cycle's jet to appear in 2008 or 2009, but it's still a no-show.

"Taken together, the scientists say, the three trends suggest that no
visible solar cycle will begin at the next expected start time, around
2020. Such a gap last happened during the Maunder Minimum 400 years ago.
But other researchers are cool to the idea. Solar physicist Mausumi
Dikpati of the National Center for Atmospheric Research in Boulder,
Colorado, notes that success forecasting solar activity a few years out
has been modest at best; forecasting a decade or two out would be even
trickier. "The data is very limited as yet, only one or two cycles," she
says, making prediction difficult.

See:
http://news.sciencemag.org/sciencenow/2011/06/end-of-the-sunspot-cycle.html

Posted by oriel36 on June 15, 2011, 3:51 pm

> "Taken together, the scientists say, the three trends suggest that no
> visible solar cycle will begin at the next expected start time, around
> 2020. Such a gap last happened during the Maunder Minimum 400 years ago.
> But other researchers are cool to the idea. Solar physicist Mausumi
> Dikpati of the National Center for Atmospheric Research in Boulder,
> Colorado, notes that success forecasting solar activity a few years out
> has been modest at best; forecasting a decade or two out would be even
> trickier. "The data is very limited as yet, only one or two cycles," she
> says, making prediction difficult.
> See:http://news.sciencemag.org/sciencenow/2011/06/end-of-the-sunspot-cycl=
...

They didn't do so well with the last one -

http://www.ucar.edu/news/releases/2006/sunspot.shtml

Here we are in the 21st century and there is this huge difficulty
getting the idea across that 1461 rotations of the Earth correspond to
near enough 4 orbital circuits of the Earth or in the vernacular -
the 24 hour rotation of the Earth which causes the temperatures to
rise and fall daily,occur 1461 times from Mar1st 2008 until Feb 29th
2012 or 365 1/4 rotations per circuit.

I see all these atmospheric and space organizations and this basic
fact is beyond them as they choose,for the dumbest possible reason,an
idea of 366 1/4 rotations per circuit yet this is not what the paid
guys believe but the people of normal intelligence,people who must
understand the damage being done while this great human tragedy is
allowed to continue.

"The Earth spins on its axis about 366 and 1/4 times each year, but
there are only 365 and 1/4 days per year."

http://imagine.gsfc.nasa.gov/docs/ask_astro/answers/970714.html

The tragedy is not the hostility towards Feb 29th as the 1461 st
rotation closing out 4 orbital periods but the dismal silence when
faced with an error or generation didn't create but also doesn't have
to live with.How easy it is to predict and then cover up the accuracy
by invoking some disparate explanation yet when faced with a
fundamental interpretative insight which is inviolate and that the
Earth completes almost 4 orbital circuits from from Mar 1st to Feb
29th 4 years later and yet nobody affirms it.Your modelling agenda is
based on 366 1/4 rotations per circuit,I worked out the details many
years ago but it doesn't account for those people who have no
lucrative stake,at least by taking the name of astronomer and
astronomy,and this is difficult to bear.

Do you all want to believe the Earth is flat insofar as the arguments
for a round Earth are actually a lot more advanced than the number of
times it turns in a year with the ancients knowing full well why an
extra day is needed every 4th year or its dynamical equivalent - why
the 1/4 rotation omitted each non-leap year is picked up by Feb 29th
in order to maintain the inviolate proportions of 1461 rotations to 4
orbital circuits,any temperature legend affirms it -

http://news.bbc.co.uk/weather/forecast/101?

Are you all so insecure that you can't acknowledge an error that arose
at a specific time in history,correct that horrendous lapse of
reasoning while adapting and moving on because nothing but catastrophe
ensues from maintaining this 366 1/4 rotation mess now that it is out
in the open.


Posted by palsing on June 15, 2011, 4:17 pm

> Here we are in the 21st century and there is this huge difficulty
> getting the idea across that 1461 rotations of the Earth correspond to
> near enough 4 orbital circuits of the Earth or in the vernacular =A0-
> the 24 hour rotation of the Earth which causes the temperatures to
> rise and fall daily,occur 1461 times from Mar1st 2008 until Feb 29th
> 2012 or 365 1/4 rotations per circuit.

No difficulty at all, as long as you specify that you are talking
about solar rotations, which is the average time between noons,
approximately 24 hours, by definition.

You ARE talking about solar rotations, right?

Paul A

Posted by oriel36 on June 16, 2011, 11:45 am
This does not bear thinking about for any length of time insofar as it
transcends pure irritation,it has to considering that the temperature
rises and falls which occur across the calendar cycle from Mar 1st
2008 until Feb 29th 2012 correspond to near enough 4 orbital cycles
and 1461 rotations and everything else can be worked back into the
proportion of rotations for 1 orbital circuit.

The anchor for the number of daily rotations is actually the orbital
circumference and period of the planet hence there is little need to
require a reference for daily rotation beyond the orbital parameter
and while empiricists opt for a nonsensical 366 1/4 rotations per
orbital circuit,the simplicity of expanding the rotations out to 1461
instances while keeping an eye on Feb 29th as closing out 4 orbital
years and circuits opens up so much avenues of astronomical discovery
while the ridiculous attempt to justify daily and orbital dynamics via
right ascension and stellar circumpolar motion represent a nightmare
our civilization cannot afford.

What,for goodness sake,do people think they are doing in being
unresponsive to a tragedy that is not going to go away and cannot be
hidden ?,Is going through the calendar cycle in tandem with daily
temperature fluctuations so abhorrent that readers are willing to
settle for a silly number of rotations per annum when they can come to
comprehend that daily and orbital motions are separate and that both
motions cannot be squeezed into right ascension.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/weather/forecast/266?

Reading the rotation of the Earth right out of daily temperature
fluctuations is followed by the number of these instances across a
calendar cycle which represents 4 orbital circuits of the Earth and
that there are people who want to be considered intelligent or
brilliant for arguing against this inviolate correlation,and
especially the major institutions and organizations on the
planet,would be astonishing in any era over the last 3000
years.Literally cutting themselves to pieces over a stupid mistake
made in the late 17th century,everything stops dead !.

Posted by palsing on June 16, 2011, 12:56 pm

<everything unimportant snipped>

Study, study, study...

http://csep10.phys.utk.edu/astr161/lect/time/timekeeping.html

Paul A

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