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Engineers would be able to take a more pragmatic view and look at
cause and effect of a round and rotating Earth so that you are being
drawn to look in a different direction towards the physical dimensions
of the Earth organized around its rotational characteristics.Somebody
who visits equatorial Bali will notice a rapid transition from
daylight to darkness compared to Juneau, Alaska or
Copenhagen,Denmark.The cause is simply that the rotational speeds at
those latitudes correlate with twilight lengths as the locations spin
through the circle of illumination,at Bali quicker than Juneau or
Copenhagen.Latitude comparisons therefore provide a simple and
effective proof for independent rotation.The table of values
representing 1 degree of geographical separation and 4 minutes of
clock time are simply extensions of the famous longitude problem and
the original reference system which provides the only real comparison
- the average 24 hour day derived from the average natural noon cycle
where constant rotation substitutes for average 24 hours hence there
was no need for an external reference for constant rotation and there
is none as it is not possible to extract the variable orbital speed of
orbital motion from any external observation.

No engineer is going to be so hard up that he turns the timekeeping
averages back on the reference system that creates it and then
attaches an unwarranted assumption for circumpolar motion using the
average 24 hour day within the calendar system for that is the sole
reason a star returns in 'sidereal time'.I actually like the
correspondence of the guys who got us into so much trouble,the idea of
a mechanical and clockwork solar system was simply taken as a given in
that era and long before Newton exploited the newly created equatorial
coordinate system of Flamsteed in creating that awful bridge between
experimental sciences and celestial observations,these guys were
discussing things that are either attributed to Newton or later guys -

http://books.google.com/books?id=3DRyBOsLIi2SMC&pg=3DPA219&dq=3Daequation+d=
ayes#v=3Donepage&q&f=3Dfalse

The thing about all this is that while Isaac's scheme to link
experimental science directly with celestial observations using Ra/Dec
is elaborate to say the least but at the core of it will still be
Flamsteed's antecedent error which is plain dumb and over the years I
can say that not only do you and your colleagues not comprehend how
Isaac went about things,you don't want to know which is quite
something else.The neat story linking Kepler to Newton and then on to
relativity seems to be the only thing of importance now but people
never consider what was destroyed to make way for the original
empirical agenda and why the 'no center/no circumference ideologies
are actually a logical conclusion of 'sidereal time' reasoning,and
what that amounts to is the loss of basic planetary facts of
dimensions, proportions, rotational characteristics. and such things
as where the progression of 24 hour days and the calendar system come
from out of raw astronomical cycles or the effects of planetary
dynamics,some old and some in desperate need of modification.




You know,the Earth is not a gyroscope,no more than it is a greenhouse
and doesn't behave like a clockwork machine,it is largely a rotating
viscous composition with a fairly thin and fractured crust,I know this
because the interior composition exposes itself at the crustal
boundaries or hotspots -



Having no problem with this viscosity and then considering the Earth
interior in terms of fluid dynamics,the uneven rotational gradient
from equatorial regions to polar generates an uneven spherical shape
or the misnomer of equatorial 'bulge' as you call it,it means dropping
the idea of 'fixed tilt' and just working away with independent
rotation for both the planet's 26 mile spherical deviation and the
evolution/motion of the surface fractured crust,I can draw in
planetary comparisons with Venus which has neither spherical deviation
or plate tectonics but only volcanism but this all emerges from
looking at the visible equatorial speed of 1037.5 miles per
hour,something you and your colleagues can't seem to grasp.

I really want to object to the informal introduction of these topics
such as rotational dynamics of the fluid interior as the ultimate
cause for short terms events such as earthquakes as an extension of
crustal evolution and motion but it is far better than just trying to
argue with people who equate circumpolar motion directly with daily
rotation and who have an overbearing desire to blurt out 'tilt' every
time a terrestrial effect is considered.





Children,at least teenagers would get the simple and effective proof
which uses known latitudinal speeds to correlate with twilight lengths
with the quickest transition from day to night at the equator,they
would even get the idea that the Earth has two daylight/darkness
cycles with the polar daylight/darkness cycle solely a product of the
Earth's orbital motion as it moves around its annual circumference
and therefore responsible for seasonal changes,something crucial for
distinguishing global climate from hemispherical weather patterns of
Spring/Summer/Fall/Winter.

Nobody wants to know these things,not even those who have most to gain
by knowing the limitations of Newton's original agenda and even where
analogies mesh with terrestrial effects and planetary dynamics,nothing
good can come from losing the basic planetary facts of
dimensions,rotational characteristics and even the Pi proportion which
links it all together.Adults are not conducting themselves like adults
and even though I can be faulted for rushed descriptions ,poor
spelling and what have you from being too long on the usenet,the
fundamental facts are sound and now easily checkable using modern
imaging and the internet.

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It may come as a surprise to you,
but some people have brains that can be used
to understand how things are.

They don't need to walk around in circles,

Jan

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To understand the orbital motion of the Earth as it moves along its
orbital circumference using a broom handle to act as the polar
coordinate and substitute for daily rotation,you literally have to
walk around a central object to comprehend the bigger picture,the
greater the perimeter the better where different parts of your body
change their position to the central object/Sun as you 'orbit' that
object.

Call a scientist at the South pole and they will affirm a single
daylight/darkness cycle with a polar twilight or dawn at the orbital
point of the equinoxes,you can even explain this single daylight/
darkness cycle as the motion of the polar coordinate through the
circle of illumination as the planet slowly turns with respect to the
central Sun and that would be a good day's work for anyone.

Really? A fellow Christian wrote the following, don't you guys
typically stick together?

http://www.doesgodexist.org/NovDec96/GyroscopeEarth.html


WTF is orbital circumference? Circumference is a unit of length...
Have we added another "Oriel" made-up and totally meaningless term, to
go with the others? Who can forget orbital specific, the Pi
proportion, or the twilight effect? None of these are in any
dictionary that I can find...


Actually, most of us don't NEED to do something so literal to
understand such a simple concept, but if we did, we would certainly
note that the broom handle was pointing at Polaris, and as we walked
around the bucket, it continued to point at Polaris, and therefore it
isn't turning or moving at all...


That's right, they change position WITH RESPECT TO THE CENTRAL OBJECT/
SUN... but NOT with respect to the fixed stars... there must be a clue
in here somewhere, why don't you go look for it?

Your denseness continues to amaze me, and I am not alone...

"Some cause happiness wherever they go; others, whenever they go.."
- Oscar Wilde

Paul A

The "orbital specific", rather than any _changing_ "tilt", is what
conventional astronomers already recognize and understand as the cause
of the seasons.

One daylight/darkness cycle would indeed be created for locations on a
non-rotating Earth by the orbit of the Earth around the Sun.

And this cycle would is subtracted from one additional daylight/
darkness cycle as would be experienced on an unmoving Earth on one
side of the Sun. (As opposed to being added to one fewer cycle,
because of the directions of revolution and rotation.) But because
such an unmoving Earth would quickly fall into the Sun, astronomers
don't usually think of this as an alternative, so they avoid a
hypothetical unmoving Earth, and instead refer to the actual return of
a star when naming this faster cycle the "sidereal day".

Rather than destroying insights by short-circuiting anything,
astronomers *facilitate* insights by understanding that to be the true
rotational motion of the Earth, because this rotational motion can
then be more straightforwardly combined with the Earth's orbital
motion to build up the natural daylight and darkness cycle, with its
complexities such as the Equation of Time, in a simple and
understandable way.

John Savard