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Posted by palsing on May 23, 2010, 2:13 pm



> A star does return in 'sidereal time'...

OK, so maybe you do recognize this simple but important fact, but in
the past it has not been clear to me that you actually believed this.
So, in your view, just what significance DOES this have? Taken as a
stand-alone observation, what does this imply for you? It must mean
SOMETHING, right?

Paul A

Posted by oriel36 on May 22, 2010, 7:50 am


On May 22, 10:35=A0am, nos...@de-ster.demon.nl (J. J. Lodder) wrote:
> > On May 22, 8:57 am, nos...@de-ster.demon.nl (J. J. Lodder) wrote:
> > > > > On 5/21/10 7:17 PM, Sam Wormley wrote:
> > > > > >> DELTA 4 ROCKET READY TO LAUNCH NEW ERA FOR GPS
> > > > > >> ----------------------------------------------
> > > > > >> The first satellite in a new generation for the Global
> > > > > >> Positioning System, years in the making and built with
> > > > > >> enhancements users eagerly want, awaits blastoff into orbit at=
op
> > > > > >> a Delta 4 rocket. Tonight's liftoff time from Cape Canaveral i=
s
> > > > > >> 11:25 p.m. EDT.
> > > > > >> LIVE COVERAGE:
> > > > > >>http://spaceflightnow.com/delta/d349/status.html
> > > > > =A0 =A0 Postponed one sidereal day.
> > > > What brilliant astronomers you all are ! -
> > > > "The Earth's rotation velocity at the equator is 1,674.4 km/h. Just=
by
> > > > standing on the equator, you're already traveling 1,674.4 km/h in a
> > > > circle. This rapid rotation flattens out the Earth into an oblate
> > > > spheroid; sort of a squished ball. Points along the equator are
> > > > actually further from the center of the Earth than at the poles."
> > > >http://www.universetoday.com/guide-to-space/earth/earths-rotation/
> > > > The correct value is in the tables where the equatorial speed of
> > > > 111.32 km represents 1 degree and 4 minutes of rotation correspondi=
ng
> > > > to 1669.8 km per hour and a full 360 degree/40,075 equatorial
> > > > circumference in 24 hours -
> > > >http://www.ncgia.ucsb.edu/education/curricula/giscc/units/u014/table=
s....
> > > html
> > > > Astronomy is totally pointless without the basic planetary facts an=
d
> > > > being unresponsive to the continuation of this tragedy is pretty mu=
ch
> > > > the worst trait of it all,there is no goodness or intelligence
> > > > involved, for even when it explained how the constant return of a s=
tar
> > > > is explained within the calendar system making it useless for
> > > > descriptions of planetary dynamics,you still insist that the Earth =
is
> > > > rotating at the center of a celestial sphere by equating one appare=
nt
> > > > rotation with the other.
> > > Usenet may be dying, trolls never will,
> > > Jan
> > There is a guy running around the usenet who thinks =A0he sees a human
> > skull in coal strata and draws the conclusion that 'man is as old as
> > coal',the astronomical version is that people see the apparent
> > circumpolar motion of the stars rotate through 360 degrees and equate
> > it directly with constant rotation through 360 degrees and there is
> > nothing remotely close to such a crude conclusion in the entire
> > history of science and people should be ashamed of themselves instead
> > of being hostile to those table of values which indicate the
> > dimensions of a round and rotating Earth.
> QED,
> Jan

Of all the insights which are blocked because of the dominance of the
crude 'sidereal time' reasoning,the modification for the explanation
of the seasons has to be the one which draws most attention.The
single daylight darkness at the polar coordinate where 6 months of
darkness is followed by 6 months of daylight with a brief polar
twilight at the orbital point of the equinoxes denoting a cycle as the
polar coordinate passes through the circle of illumination at the
equinoxes suffers the great loss due to proponents of that dumb
conclusion which equates circumpolar motion directly with daily
rotation.

If Sam takes his students to a large field where he lives in Iowa
with a broom ,places an object at the center of the field and tells
them to walk around the perimeter of the field while keeping the broom
handle pointed in the same direction at all times,those students will
very quickly perceive that their motion as they move around the
perimeter,equating with the Earth's motion along its orbital
circumference,is accomplished in a very specific way.The orbital
specific,when allied with daily rotation explains the seasons and why
natural noon cycles vary as the single orbital daylight/darkness cycle
combines with the daily rotational daylight/darkness cycle,the former
cycle changes unevenly to the central Sun while the daily cycle is
constant.Short circuiting this insight by a crude circumpolar
conclusion which contains no cause and effect is remarkable for its
vapidity.

However you may think of yourselves,not being capable of stating the
basic planetary dimensions and rotational characteristics makes you
no better or worse than the 'man/coal' guy as the silly conclusion
Flamsteed jumped to would normally reflect how good the equal day/
calendar system is,no more or no less.Take out your calculator with a
world globe beside you and you will discover that each degree of
geographical separation correlations with 4 minutes of clock
time,rotation of 1037.5 miles per hour and the rotation of a full
24,901 mile equatorial circumference in 24 hours.Until then,you can
gauge your intellectual level by the 'man/coal/ guy ,somewhere between
a flat Earther and intellectual oblivion.







Posted by Nicholas on May 22, 2010, 8:38 am


On Sat, 22 May 2010 04:50:52 -0700 (PDT), oriel36

>On May 22, 10:35 am, nos...@de-ster.demon.nl (J. J. Lodder) wrote:
>> > On May 22, 8:57 am, nos...@de-ster.demon.nl (J. J. Lodder) wrote:
>> > > > > On 5/21/10 7:17 PM, Sam Wormley wrote:
>> > > > > >> DELTA 4 ROCKET READY TO LAUNCH NEW ERA FOR GPS
>> > > > > >> ----------------------------------------------
>> > > > > >> The first satellite in a new generation for the Global
>> > > > > >> Positioning System, years in the making and built with
>> > > > > >> enhancements users eagerly want, awaits blastoff into orbit atop
>> > > > > >> a Delta 4 rocket. Tonight's liftoff time from Cape Canaveral is
>> > > > > >> 11:25 p.m. EDT.
>> > > > > >> LIVE COVERAGE:
>> > > > > >>http://spaceflightnow.com/delta/d349/status.html
>> > > > >     Postponed one sidereal day.
>> > > > What brilliant astronomers you all are ! -
>> > > > "The Earth's rotation velocity at the equator is 1,674.4 km/h. Just by
>> > > > standing on the equator, you're already traveling 1,674.4 km/h in a
>> > > > circle. This rapid rotation flattens out the Earth into an oblate
>> > > > spheroid; sort of a squished ball. Points along the equator are
>> > > > actually further from the center of the Earth than at the poles."
>> > > >http://www.universetoday.com/guide-to-space/earth/earths-rotation/
>> > > > The correct value is in the tables where the equatorial speed of
>> > > > 111.32 km represents 1 degree and 4 minutes of rotation corresponding
>> > > > to 1669.8 km per hour and a full 360 degree/40,075 equatorial
>> > > > circumference in 24 hours -
>> > > >http://www.ncgia.ucsb.edu/education/curricula/giscc/units/u014/tables ....
>> > > html
>> > > > Astronomy is totally pointless without the basic planetary facts and
>> > > > being unresponsive to the continuation of this tragedy is pretty much
>> > > > the worst trait of it all,there is no goodness or intelligence
>> > > > involved, for even when it explained how the constant return of a star
>> > > > is explained within the calendar system making it useless for
>> > > > descriptions of planetary dynamics,you still insist that the Earth is
>> > > > rotating at the center of a celestial sphere by equating one apparent
>> > > > rotation with the other.
>> > > Usenet may be dying, trolls never will,
>> > > Jan
>> > There is a guy running around the usenet who thinks  he sees a human
>> > skull in coal strata and draws the conclusion that 'man is as old as
>> > coal',the astronomical version is that people see the apparent
>> > circumpolar motion of the stars rotate through 360 degrees and equate
>> > it directly with constant rotation through 360 degrees and there is
>> > nothing remotely close to such a crude conclusion in the entire
>> > history of science and people should be ashamed of themselves instead
>> > of being hostile to those table of values which indicate the
>> > dimensions of a round and rotating Earth.
>> QED,
>> Jan
>Of all the insights which are blocked because of the dominance of the
>crude 'sidereal time' reasoning,the modification for the explanation
>of the seasons has to be the one which draws most attention.The
>single daylight darkness at the polar coordinate where 6 months of
>darkness is followed by 6 months of daylight with a brief polar
>twilight at the orbital point of the equinoxes denoting a cycle as the
>polar coordinate passes through the circle of illumination at the
>equinoxes suffers the great loss due to proponents of that dumb
>conclusion which equates circumpolar motion directly with daily
>rotation.
>If Sam takes his students to a large field where he lives in Iowa
>with a broom ,places an object at the center of the field and tells
>them to walk around the perimeter of the field while keeping the broom
>handle pointed in the same direction at all times,those students will
>very quickly perceive that their motion as they move around the
>perimeter,equating with the Earth's motion along its orbital
>circumference,is accomplished in a very specific way.The orbital
>specific,when allied with daily rotation explains the seasons and why
>natural noon cycles vary as the single orbital daylight/darkness cycle
>combines with the daily rotational daylight/darkness cycle,the former
>cycle changes unevenly to the central Sun while the daily cycle is
>constant.Short circuiting this insight by a crude circumpolar
>conclusion which contains no cause and effect is remarkable for its
>vapidity.
>However you may think of yourselves,not being capable of stating the
>basic planetary dimensions and rotational characteristics makes you
>no better or worse than the 'man/coal' guy as the silly conclusion
>Flamsteed jumped to would normally reflect how good the equal day/
>calendar system is,no more or no less.Take out your calculator with a
>world globe beside you and you will discover that each degree of
>geographical separation correlations with 4 minutes of clock
>time,rotation of 1037.5 miles per hour and the rotation of a full
>24,901 mile equatorial circumference in 24 hours.Until then,you can
>gauge your intellectual level by the 'man/coal/ guy ,somewhere between
>a flat Earther and intellectual oblivion.

the tilt of the earth's axis of rotation relative to its' orbit around
the Sun, is responsible for the change of Seasons in the Northern and
Southern hemispheres. Because it takes 1 year for the earth to orbit
the Sun one time, the calendar is assembled to reflect this.

The length of 1 year varies by some small amount of time, which is
adjusted for during Leap Years.

Elementary Watson. No need to obfuscate the obvious, or do you write
books for school children.


Posted by oriel36 on May 22, 2010, 1:51 pm


> On Sat, 22 May 2010 04:50:52 -0700 (PDT), oriel36
> >On May 22, 10:35=A0am, nos...@de-ster.demon.nl (J. J. Lodder) wrote:
> >> > On May 22, 8:57 am, nos...@de-ster.demon.nl (J. J. Lodder) wrote:
> >> > > > > On 5/21/10 7:17 PM, Sam Wormley wrote:
> >> > > > > >> DELTA 4 ROCKET READY TO LAUNCH NEW ERA FOR GPS
> >> > > > > >> ----------------------------------------------
> >> > > > > >> The first satellite in a new generation for the Global
> >> > > > > >> Positioning System, years in the making and built with
> >> > > > > >> enhancements users eagerly want, awaits blastoff into orbit=
atop
> >> > > > > >> a Delta 4 rocket. Tonight's liftoff time from Cape Canavera=
l is
> >> > > > > >> 11:25 p.m. EDT.
> >> > > > > >> LIVE COVERAGE:
> >> > > > > >>http://spaceflightnow.com/delta/d349/status.html
> >> > > > > =A0 =A0 Postponed one sidereal day.
> >> > > > What brilliant astronomers you all are ! -
> >> > > > "The Earth's rotation velocity at the equator is 1,674.4 km/h. J=
ust by
> >> > > > standing on the equator, you're already traveling 1,674.4 km/h i=
n a
> >> > > > circle. This rapid rotation flattens out the Earth into an oblat=
e
> >> > > > spheroid; sort of a squished ball. Points along the equator are
> >> > > > actually further from the center of the Earth than at the poles.=
"
> >> > > >http://www.universetoday.com/guide-to-space/earth/earths-rotation=
/
> >> > > > The correct value is in the tables where the equatorial speed of
> >> > > > 111.32 km represents 1 degree and 4 minutes of rotation correspo=
nding
> >> > > > to 1669.8 km per hour and a full 360 degree/40,075 equatorial
> >> > > > circumference in 24 hours -
> >> > > >http://www.ncgia.ucsb.edu/education/curricula/giscc/units/u014/ta=
bles....
> >> > > html
> >> > > > Astronomy is totally pointless without the basic planetary facts=
and
> >> > > > being unresponsive to the continuation of this tragedy is pretty=
much
> >> > > > the worst trait of it all,there is no goodness or intelligence
> >> > > > involved, for even when it explained how the constant return of =
a star
> >> > > > is explained within the calendar system making it useless for
> >> > > > descriptions of planetary dynamics,you still insist that the Ear=
th is
> >> > > > rotating at the center of a celestial sphere by equating one app=
arent
> >> > > > rotation with the other.
> >> > > Usenet may be dying, trolls never will,
> >> > > Jan
> >> > There is a guy running around the usenet who thinks =A0he sees a hum=
an
> >> > skull in coal strata and draws the conclusion that 'man is as old as
> >> > coal',the astronomical version is that people see the apparent
> >> > circumpolar motion of the stars rotate through 360 degrees and equat=
e
> >> > it directly with constant rotation through 360 degrees and there is
> >> > nothing remotely close to such a crude conclusion in the entire
> >> > history of science and people should be ashamed of themselves instea=
d
> >> > of being hostile to those table of values which indicate the
> >> > dimensions of a round and rotating Earth.
> >> QED,
> >> Jan
> >Of all the insights which are blocked because of the dominance of the
> >crude 'sidereal time' reasoning,the modification for the explanation
> >of the seasons has to be the =A0one which draws most attention.The
> >single daylight darkness at the polar coordinate where 6 months of
> >darkness is followed by 6 months of daylight with a brief polar
> >twilight at the orbital point of the equinoxes denoting a cycle as the
> >polar coordinate passes through the circle of illumination at the
> >equinoxes suffers the great loss due to proponents of that dumb
> >conclusion which equates circumpolar motion directly with daily
> >rotation.
> >If Sam takes his students to a large field =A0where he lives in Iowa
> >with a broom ,places an object at the center of the field and tells
> >them to walk around the perimeter of the field while keeping the broom
> >handle pointed in the same direction at all times,those students will
> >very quickly perceive that their motion as they move around the
> >perimeter,equating with the Earth's motion along its orbital
> >circumference,is accomplished in a very specific way.The orbital
> >specific,when allied with daily rotation explains the seasons and why
> >natural noon cycles vary as the single orbital daylight/darkness cycle
> >combines with the daily rotational daylight/darkness cycle,the former
> >cycle changes unevenly to the central Sun while the daily cycle is
> >constant.Short circuiting this insight by a crude circumpolar
> >conclusion which contains no cause and effect is remarkable for its
> >vapidity.
> >However you may think of yourselves,not being capable of stating the
> >basic planetary dimensions and rotational characteristics =A0makes you
> >no better or worse than the 'man/coal' guy as the silly conclusion
> >Flamsteed jumped to would normally reflect how good the equal day/
> >calendar system is,no more or no less.Take out your calculator with a
> >world globe beside you and you will discover that each degree of
> >geographical separation correlations with 4 minutes of clock
> >time,rotation of 1037.5 miles per hour and the rotation of a full
> >24,901 mile equatorial circumference in 24 hours.Until then,you can
> >gauge your intellectual level by the 'man/coal/ guy ,somewhere between
> >a flat Earther and intellectual oblivion.
> the tilt of the earth's axis of rotation relative to its' orbit around
> the Sun, is responsible for the change of Seasons in the Northern and
> Southern hemispheres. =A0Because it takes 1 year for the earth to orbit
> the Sun one time, the calendar is assembled to reflect this.
> The length of 1 year varies by some small amount of time, which is
> adjusted for during Leap Years.
> Elementary Watson. =A0No need to obfuscate the obvious, or do you write
> books for school children.

There is a single daylight/darkness cycle at the polar coordinates
with a minor polar twilight at the equinoxes which dictate a cycle as
the polar coordinate pass from 6 months of daylight through the circle
of illumination into 6 months of darkness.It takes the specifics of
orbital motion to determine why the seasons change.The fact is that it
is actually possible to observe this happening as the distance from
our orbit to Uranus and Uranus to the central Sun makes it possible to
view that slow orbital turning to the central Sun which brings the
polar coordinate through the circle of illumination -

http://hubblesite.org/newscenter/archive/releases/1999/11/video/b

Of course,when you deal with people who are standing on a visible
Earth with an equatorial circumference of 24,901 miles and an
equatorial rotational speed of 1037.5 miles per hour and can't affirm
these basic planetary facts,something as fascinating as the specific
way the Earth orbits the Sun in causing the seasons and variations in
the natural noon cycle will be beyond them.

I do not mind the dominance of people stuck in the 'no center/no
circumference' reasoning of 'sidereal time' but I am surprised that
there is no sign of people who can actually handle the links between
planetary dynamics and terrestrial effects.Anyone scientist at the
North and South pole will affirm that the transition to polar daylight
to darkness represents a cycle with a stretched out twilight and as a
cycle,it takes one to cause it,in this case the slow turning of the
planet as it moves along its orbital circumference .


Posted by Camera Kit on May 22, 2010, 5:40 pm


> On Sat, 22 May 2010 04:50:52 -0700 (PDT), oriel36
> >On May 22, 10:35 am, nos...@de-ster.demon.nl (J. J. Lodder) wrote:
> >> > On May 22, 8:57 am, nos...@de-ster.demon.nl (J. J. Lodder) wrote:
> >> > > > > On 5/21/10 7:17 PM, Sam Wormley wrote:
> >> > > > > >> DELTA 4 ROCKET READY TO LAUNCH NEW ERA FOR GPS
> >> > > > > >> ----------------------------------------------

> Anyone scientist at the North and South pole will affirm that the
> transition to polar daylight to darkness represents a cycle with a
> stretched out twilight > and as a cycle,it takes one to cause it,in this
> case the slow turning of the planet as it moves along its orbital
> circumference .


"Anyone scientist" ??? Enough said!!!

RS


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