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Posted by Cathy Hui on May 9, 2005, 4:27 pm


I just bought a pair of FRS / GMRS radios and planning on bringing them
to Europe (i.e. Austra, Germany and Switzerland). Does anyone know if
FRS legally being used in those countries? If so, if I purchase a GMRS
license, am I going to be benefitted from the longer range reception
from the GMRS in Europe?

Thanks!


Posted by Juri Munkki on May 9, 2005, 5:27 pm


>I just bought a pair of FRS / GMRS radios and planning on bringing them
>to Europe (i.e. Austra, Germany and Switzerland). Does anyone know if
>FRS legally being used in those countries? If so, if I purchase a GMRS
>license, am I going to be benefitted from the longer range reception
>from the GMRS in Europe?

The frequencies are illegal and you could be heavily fined for using
the phones in Europe. The European equivalent of FRS is PMR466.

And unless the radios you bought were Garmin Rinos, you got the wrong
newsgroup too... Speaking of which, I saw a Garmin Rino in a shop window
here in Helsinki. Obviously illegal, but the shopkeeper was totally
unaware of the fact.

--
Juri Munkki - http://www.iki.fi/jmunkki - Windsurfing: Faster than the wind.

Posted by Ivor Jones on May 9, 2005, 5:33 pm



>>I just bought a pair of FRS / GMRS radios and planning on bringing them
>>to Europe (i.e. Austra, Germany and Switzerland). Does anyone know if
>>FRS legally being used in those countries? If so, if I purchase a GMRS
>>license, am I going to be benefitted from the longer range reception
>>from the GMRS in Europe?
> The frequencies are illegal and you could be heavily fined for using
> the phones in Europe. The European equivalent of FRS is PMR466.
> And unless the radios you bought were Garmin Rinos, you got the wrong
> newsgroup too... Speaking of which, I saw a Garmin Rino in a shop window
> here in Helsinki. Obviously illegal, but the shopkeeper was totally
> unaware of the fact.

Oh he was probably aware of it, but just didn't care. Most if not all
shops will sell anything to anyone, it's income after all. I've seen
dozens of shops in the tourist areas of major cities in both the UK and US
selling amateur radio equipment over the counter to anyone who asks for
it, despite a licence being required.

Ivor



Posted by Gary S. on May 9, 2005, 5:40 pm


On Mon, 9 May 2005 22:33:06 +0100, "Ivor Jones"

>Oh he was probably aware of it, but just didn't care. Most if not all
>shops will sell anything to anyone, it's income after all. I've seen
>dozens of shops in the tourist areas of major cities in both the UK and US
>selling amateur radio equipment over the counter to anyone who asks for
>it, despite a licence being required.
Not just the retailers.

I have seen GMRS radios being sold in the US with no mention on the
outside of the package of a license being required, Otherwise, they
use font sizes way smaller than I thought you could print.

Some justify it on the idea that it is legal to own, the only illegal
thing is transmitting, which is the choice of the consumer.

A bit weak, in my view.

Happy trails,
Gary (net.yogi.bear)
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Posted by John Tserkezis on May 9, 2005, 6:48 pm


Gary S. wrote:

> Not just the retailers.
>
> I have seen GMRS radios being sold in the US with no mention on the
> outside of the package of a license being required, Otherwise, they
> use font sizes way smaller than I thought you could print.
>
> Some justify it on the idea that it is legal to own, the only illegal
> thing is transmitting, which is the choice of the consumer.
>
> A bit weak, in my view.

Seen legal loopholes being used to do it too. A retailer on eBay is selling
units similar to the Rinos from US to Australia, but 'as new'. They are new,
in boxes, but just removed and re-packed.

Since they're now technically "second hand", they don't have to comply with
our C-Tick regulations (akin to the FCC/CE etc). Thus can be legally sold into
australia.

Can't be legally USED here in oz of course, but that doesn't matter. A sale
is a sale.
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