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Posted by ammerrill on June 3, 2007, 3:22 pm


As a newbie I need some sage advice. I am planning a multiple day trip
and have broken the routes into one file for each day. How do I load
the routes from Mapsource into the Zumo? I can get only one file at a
time to show up after the transfer. I am trying to load all 9 files
into it. I have a 2GB SD card but the transfer to device dialog does
not recognize the SD card.

Any help would be appreciated.

Posted by Jack Erbes on June 3, 2007, 6:42 pm


ammerrill@charter.net wrote:
> As a newbie I need some sage advice. I am planning a multiple day trip
> and have broken the routes into one file for each day. How do I load
> the routes from Mapsource into the Zumo? I can get only one file at a
> time to show up after the transfer. I am trying to load all 9 files
> into it. I have a 2GB SD card but the transfer to device dialog does
> not recognize the SD card.
>
> Any help would be appreciated.

I don't have a zumo but have looked at the manual.

When you connect the zumo to your computer, it should go into the Mass
Storage Mode (and say that on the zumo display) and you should then see
two new Removable Drives appear under My Computer from Windows Explorer.

One drive (named Garmin?) will be the memory in the zumo, the other
drive will be the SD card (named SD Card?) in the zumo.

From Windows Explorer you can copy files to either of the Removable
Drives. I'd be careful about what I copied to the main memory drive,
but the SD card drive should be fairly safe to mess with as long as you
do not delete or overwrite an existing file.

Per the manual the zumo will import "GPX waypoint files", so if you have
your routes in MapSource and save them to the SD card drive as a *.gpx
file, I think you can import them into the zumo from that file.

Do you have all the routes listed on the routes tab in MapSource? If
so, save them to your hard drive, first as a *.gdb file (for backup) and
then also save them again to your hard drive to a *.gpx file (another
backup). And finally, with the zumo connected, save them to the
Removable Drive that is the SD card.

Then use the Stop/Eject Hardware icon in the tray and stop the zumo (it
will be called the Mass Storage Device I think).

With the zumo back in it's normal mode, you should be able to import the
route. When it restarts, if it does not ask you if you want to import a
route, you may have to eject the SD card and then reinsert it. But I
think it will ask you if you want to import a route (or routes?) and you
can say yes.

I'm assuming you can import more then one route at a time by having them
all in one *.gpx file. But it may be that you'll have to copy them to
the SD card (in a reader or in the zumo) one and a time and then import
them one at a time.

Let us know here if and how it works if you can. We don't see much info
about the zumos here.

Jack




Posted by ammerrill on June 3, 2007, 8:03 pm


wrote:


>I don't have a zumo but have looked at the manual.
>When you connect the zumo to your computer, it should go into the Mass
>Storage Mode (and say that on the zumo display) and you should then see
>two new Removable Drives appear under My Computer from Windows Explorer.
>One drive (named Garmin?) will be the memory in the zumo, the other
>drive will be the SD card (named SD Card?) in the zumo.
> From Windows Explorer you can copy files to either of the Removable
>Drives. I'd be careful about what I copied to the main memory drive,
>but the SD card drive should be fairly safe to mess with as long as you
>do not delete or overwrite an existing file.
>Per the manual the zumo will import "GPX waypoint files", so if you have
>your routes in MapSource and save them to the SD card drive as a *.gpx
>file, I think you can import them into the zumo from that file.
>Do you have all the routes listed on the routes tab in MapSource? If
>so, save them to your hard drive, first as a *.gdb file (for backup) and
>then also save them again to your hard drive to a *.gpx file (another
>backup). And finally, with the zumo connected, save them to the
>Removable Drive that is the SD card.
>Then use the Stop/Eject Hardware icon in the tray and stop the zumo (it
>will be called the Mass Storage Device I think).
>With the zumo back in it's normal mode, you should be able to import the
>route. When it restarts, if it does not ask you if you want to import a
>route, you may have to eject the SD card and then reinsert it. But I
>think it will ask you if you want to import a route (or routes?) and you
>can say yes.
>I'm assuming you can import more then one route at a time by having them
>all in one *.gpx file. But it may be that you'll have to copy them to
>the SD card (in a reader or in the zumo) one and a time and then import
>them one at a time.
>Let us know here if and how it works if you can. We don't see much info
>about the zumos here.
>Jack
Thanks for responding Jack.

I stumbled upon a means to get this done shortly after I posted this.
I downloaded Garmin's POI Loader so I could transfer a custom set of
POI's (Harley Dealers) I found on the web. After I installed POI
Loader and uploaded the Harley POI file I disconnected the zumo and it
recognized the files on the SD card where I directed them to be
stored. When I plugged the zumo back into the PC and opened windows
explorer I saw that POI Loader had created a set of folders on the SD
card as follows: garmin\poi. Taking a hint I created a sub-folder on
the SD card as: garmin\GPX to mimic what is on the internal memory of
the zumo. Once done I copied all 9 of the individual "??.gpx" files to
that new garmin\GPX folder and unplugged the zumo again. It recognized
all 9 and allowed me to import them as usual.

The hold up seems to be that the zumo was not going to recognize
anything on the SD card unless it is inside a folder named "garmin".
If the manual says anything about this requirement I must have missed
it.

I am not sure why it is that Mapsource does not create the required
folder hierarchy in the first place. Seems like a very simple step to
have the software verify the folder set is there or if it is not to
just create it when it is looking for the available memory locations.

Thanks again.
Allen

Posted by Jack Erbes on June 3, 2007, 10:03 pm


ammerrill@charter.net wrote:
<snip>

> Thanks for responding Jack.
>
> I stumbled upon a means to get this done shortly after I posted this.
> I downloaded Garmin's POI Loader so I could transfer a custom set of
> POI's (Harley Dealers) I found on the web. After I installed POI
> Loader and uploaded the Harley POI file I disconnected the zumo and it
> recognized the files on the SD card where I directed them to be
> stored. When I plugged the zumo back into the PC and opened windows
> explorer I saw that POI Loader had created a set of folders on the SD
> card as follows: garmin\poi. Taking a hint I created a sub-folder on
> the SD card as: garmin\GPX to mimic what is on the internal memory of
> the zumo. Once done I copied all 9 of the individual "??.gpx" files to
> that new garmin\GPX folder and unplugged the zumo again. It recognized
> all 9 and allowed me to import them as usual.

That's pretty much the Garmin way. Buy it because you think the online
docs say it will do what you want, use it until you figure it all out,
and in the process you also figure out what it missing from the user's
manual, what is wrong with the software, etc.

But I'm glad to hear that it works. Do you know, could you have sent
all nine routes in one *.gpx file? That would seem to make sense to me
that you could do it that way.

Did you have any waypoints in the routes? That would be spots that were
placed with the Waypoint tool in MapSource and that are seen on the
Waypoints tab there, not the via points you get when you are using the
Route tool and clicking on spots.

The reason I ask about that is that I think if you have waypoints in
your routes they will be added to your Favorites list on the zumo
whereas the via points will not be. That is an ideosynchracy of sorts
I've noticed on my 76Cx.

So if you have a spot you want to use frequently, uploading it as a
waypoint will get it into your favorites.

The difference between using waypoints or via points to define routes is
sort of subtle or even confusing. But if you have any problems on the
zumo with routes getting screwed up (in your opinion, not the zumo's)
when the zumo recalculates them automatically, try building your routes
with waypoints instead of via points and the zumo may "honor" your
intentions on routing better.

> The hold up seems to be that the zumo was not going to recognize
> anything on the SD card unless it is inside a folder named "garmin".
> If the manual says anything about this requirement I must have missed
> it.

You're right, and that was a good catch on your part. And if you want
to upload any supplemental maps from MapSource it will place those in
the \garmin folder. The supplemental maps are always in a file named
gmapsupp.img so you can only one such file. If you upload a different
supplemental map, it overwrites the existing file.

> I am not sure why it is that Mapsource does not create the required
> folder hierarchy in the first place. Seems like a very simple step to
> have the software verify the folder set is there or if it is not to
> just create it when it is looking for the available memory locations.

It might be because the *.gpx file is not a Garmin proprietary format.
It is a sort of secondary format to Garmin and intended for importing
and exporting data across all brands of GPS receivers that can use it.
The use of *.gpx files by Garmin and MapSource as is being done in the
zumo is a fairly recent thing.

> Thanks again.

You're welcome and thanks for filling us in on the details of the zumo.

There are quite a few zumo-related forums on the internet, most
associated with use on motorcycles. Those have a lot of good details on
using the zumos and some of the pros and cons or using them. It looks
like one of the most frequently heard gripes is the fact that you cannot
turn off the automatic route recalculation. They should really have
made that a user controlled feature with Auto/Prompted/Off choices like
it is on the "x" series handhelds.

I've never found a GPS unit that I can't find something wrong with or
some needed feature missing. None of them are perfect. Yet.

Jack

--
Jack Erbes in Ellsworth, Maine, USA - jackerbes at adelphia dot net
(also receiving email at jacker at midmaine.com)

Posted by HankB on June 5, 2007, 9:03 am


On Jun 3, 2:22 pm, ammerr...@charter.net wrote:
> I am trying to load all 9 files
> into it.

All 9 files? I have no experience with the Zumo but on my 2720, I send
routes from a file to the unit using MapSource. It has no SD card and
does not look like a mass storage device when plugged in with the USB
cable.

I usually have all routes for a given trip in the same file, but that
should not matter as the routes accumulate in the 2720 until I delete
them. (e.g. sending routes from one file does not erase routes already
there.)

If the Zumo has no USB cable but uses the SD card instead, try using
MapSource to "send" files to the SD card.

HTH
hank