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   Re: Map from GPSMAP 60CSx to Mapsource
| Michael Steiger | 04-06-2010 |
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> On 05.04.2010 19:41, Bert Hyman wrote:
> >> I have downloaded a NEW version of the City Navigator. So I have the
> >> NEW version on the GPSr, but the OLD version in Mapsource.
> >> So the question is: How do I get the NEW map data into Mapsource on
> >> the computer? It is already on the GPSr.
> >> NEW version on the GPSr, but the OLD version in Mapsource.
> >> So the question is: How do I get the NEW map data into Mapsource on
> >> the computer? It is already on the GPSr.
> > I'm a little confused by what I'm reading here.
> > I'm still using CN NA 2009 with MapSource and my old 76CSx.
> > When I moved up from older versions of CN (or even older City Select), =
I
> > I'm still using CN NA 2009 with MapSource and my old 76CSx.
> > When I moved up from older versions of CN (or even older City Select), =
> > got a DVD full of maps that I installed in MapSource and then uploaded
> > to the GPSR. As a result, I had the same maps visible and useable on th=
e
> > to the GPSR. As a result, I had the same maps visible and useable on th=
> > PC and the GPSR.
> > Has Garmin completely changed the way they package their maps with thei=
r
> > Has Garmin completely changed the way they package their maps with thei=
> > current product releases?
> Yes, it has changed. Not to the better.
> I - stupidly, it seems - selected "download" instead of "DVD". I assumed
> - wrongly - that that the download would go the computer and be stored
> there, and that I could later use Mapsource to upload the maps the the GP=
Sr.
> I - stupidly, it seems - selected "download" instead of "DVD". I assumed
> - wrongly - that that the download would go the computer and be stored
> there, and that I could later use Mapsource to upload the maps the the GP=
> Instead it was downloaded AND uploaded to the GPSr in ONE operation. I
> have managed to copy the map data back from the GPSr to the computer.
> The trouble is, this is one big file (1860 kBytes or so). No "map tiles"
> and no extra information that would enable installing the map(s) in
> Mapsource, and register the map(s) in the Windows registry.
> --
> Arne Hamre
> Mozilla Thunderbird 3.0.4
> Mozilla Firefox =A0 =A0 3.6.3
> have managed to copy the map data back from the GPSr to the computer.
> The trouble is, this is one big file (1860 kBytes or so). No "map tiles"
> and no extra information that would enable installing the map(s) in
> Mapsource, and register the map(s) in the Windows registry.
> --
> Arne Hamre
> Mozilla Thunderbird 3.0.4
> Mozilla Firefox =A0 =A0 3.6.3
O.K. That is much clearer, now I understand what your situation was.
I will watch out so that I do not make a similar mistake when it it
time for me to update my maps.
Tom
> On 05.04.2010 19:41, Bert Hyman wrote:
>>> I have downloaded a NEW version of the City Navigator. So I have the
>>> NEW version on the GPSr, but the OLD version in Mapsource.
>>> So the question is: How do I get the NEW map data into Mapsource on
>>> the computer? It is already on the GPSr.
>>> NEW version on the GPSr, but the OLD version in Mapsource.
>>> So the question is: How do I get the NEW map data into Mapsource on
>>> the computer? It is already on the GPSr.
>> I'm a little confused by what I'm reading here.
>> I'm still using CN NA 2009 with MapSource and my old 76CSx.
>> When I moved up from older versions of CN (or even older City
>> Select), I got a DVD full of maps that I installed in MapSource and
>> then uploaded to the GPSR. As a result, I had the same maps visible
>> and useable on the PC and the GPSR.
>> Has Garmin completely changed the way they package their maps with
>> their current product releases?
>> I'm still using CN NA 2009 with MapSource and my old 76CSx.
>> When I moved up from older versions of CN (or even older City
>> Select), I got a DVD full of maps that I installed in MapSource and
>> then uploaded to the GPSR. As a result, I had the same maps visible
>> and useable on the PC and the GPSR.
>> Has Garmin completely changed the way they package their maps with
>> their current product releases?
>
> Yes, it has changed. Not to the better.
>
> I - stupidly, it seems - selected "download" instead of "DVD". I
> assumed - wrongly - that that the download would go the computer and
> be stored there, and that I could later use Mapsource to upload the
> maps the the GPSr.
> Yes, it has changed. Not to the better.
>
> I - stupidly, it seems - selected "download" instead of "DVD". I
> assumed - wrongly - that that the download would go the computer and
> be stored there, and that I could later use Mapsource to upload the
> maps the the GPSr.
I just took a look at Garmin's Web site and on the Web page to order the
"current" version of CN NT (they don't reveal just what they're selling
you) is this, with a link:
"Available as a download or on microSD/SD card or DVD. Which format is
best for me? "
The link takes you to an FAQ page describing what the three versions
give you. The data card and downloaded versions both say "... however
you will not have access to the mapping on your computer."
http://preview.tinyurl.com/ybwxxay
I'd suggest that you give Garmin's customer service folks a call and see
if you can get the DVD; in the past they were pretty free with the map
DVDs since they're practically useless without an unlock code (which you
already have).
I was surprised to see that the data card version isn't locked; I guess
they're pretty confident that they can't be duplicated.
--
Bert Hyman St. Paul, MN bert@iphouse.com
>I was surprised to see that the data card version isn't locked; I guess
>they're pretty confident that they can't be duplicated.
>they're pretty confident that they can't be duplicated.
They really can't.
The map is locked to a hardware id on the card which is burnt in at
manufacturing time.
You can copy the map files to a new card but not this id
>
>
>
> >I was surprised to see that the data card version isn't locked; I guess
> >they're pretty confident that they can't be duplicated.
> >they're pretty confident that they can't be duplicated.
>
> They really can't.
> The map is locked to a hardware id on the card which is burnt in at
> manufacturing time.
> You can copy the map files to a new card but not this id
> They really can't.
> The map is locked to a hardware id on the card which is burnt in at
> manufacturing time.
> You can copy the map files to a new card but not this id
You are corrected that it's hardcoded to the card. And if the Garmin Map
on SD card becomes real popular then the hacker may be able to crack it just
like all other hardcoded and dongled etc..
Example, ages ago MicroSoft wrote the serial/key to hard drive, and the
hacker came up with the format with option to bypass this, and tool to
change it. Expensive CAD programs ($2000-$4000) use in college are/were
protected by dongle, and many dongles were stolen by students, and many of
them had to use the hacked version instead of the original.
Similar to Olympus P&S camera's special memory card with option to
*stitch* multiple photos into single photo. Later, the hacker came up with
the formatter with option to add some special code to the "memory card"
So, I guess that the Garmin's memory card ain't more advance than many
others before Garmin, or it can be beaten just like all others (as well as
Garmin's data map is hardcoded to the GPS, and it's been hacked)
>>
>>
>>
>> >I was surprised to see that the data card version isn't locked; I guess
>> >they're pretty confident that they can't be duplicated.
>> >they're pretty confident that they can't be duplicated.
>>
>> They really can't.
>> The map is locked to a hardware id on the card which is burnt in at
>> manufacturing time.
>> You can copy the map files to a new card but not this id
>> They really can't.
>> The map is locked to a hardware id on the card which is burnt in at
>> manufacturing time.
>> You can copy the map files to a new card but not this id
> You are corrected that it's hardcoded to the card. And if the Garmin Map
>on SD card becomes real popular then the hacker may be able to crack it just
>like all other hardcoded and dongled etc..
> Example, ages ago MicroSoft wrote the serial/key to hard drive, and the
>hacker came up with the format with option to bypass this, and tool to
>change it. Expensive CAD programs ($2000-$4000) use in college are/were
>protected by dongle, and many dongles were stolen by students, and many of
>them had to use the hacked version instead of the original.
Don't tell me ;-)
>on SD card becomes real popular then the hacker may be able to crack it just
>like all other hardcoded and dongled etc..
> Example, ages ago MicroSoft wrote the serial/key to hard drive, and the
>hacker came up with the format with option to bypass this, and tool to
>change it. Expensive CAD programs ($2000-$4000) use in college are/were
>protected by dongle, and many dongles were stolen by students, and many of
>them had to use the hacked version instead of the original.
I once knew how to hack these dongles.
> Similar to Olympus P&S camera's special memory card with option to
>*stitch* multiple photos into single photo. Later, the hacker came up with
>the formatter with option to add some special code to the "memory card"
Don't know about this.
>*stitch* multiple photos into single photo. Later, the hacker came up with
>the formatter with option to add some special code to the "memory card"
> So, I guess that the Garmin's memory card ain't more advance than many
>others before Garmin, or it can be beaten just like all others (as well as
>Garmin's data map is hardcoded to the GPS, and it's been hacked)
So either it is too difficult to do it or no hacker sees a value in
>others before Garmin, or it can be beaten just like all others (as well as
>Garmin's data map is hardcoded to the GPS, and it's been hacked)
doing it.
But in contrast to many PC based security solutions (aka copy
protection) it is more difficult to change the firmware of a GPSr to
override the checks done on the SD card.
On a PC you could hack the application or install a patched program or
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