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Posted by who where on February 2, 2012, 7:05 am
On Thu, 02 Feb 2012 10:02:38 +0000, artleknock

>On Wed, 01 Feb 2012 18:04:28 +0100, Hans-Georg Michna
>>On Tue, 31 Jan 2012 19:15:02 +0000, artleknock wrote:
>>>I am no longer a motorcyclist but do ride a bike, if I wish to turn
>>>left, I lean left. DOH!
>>Doesn't quite work that way, because you cannot move the center
>>of gravity sideways that way. In other words, if you lean left,
>>the bike leans right, and the center of gravity stays where it
>>was.
>>Hans-Georg
>But if I lean the bike and myself left
(snip)

You can't. You haven't been following what has been explained to you.

Posted by nobody on February 4, 2012, 6:08 pm
On Tue, 31 Jan 2012 19:15:02 +0000, artleknock

>On Tue, 31 Jan 2012 17:58:55 +0100, Hans-Georg Michna
>>On Mon, 30 Jan 2012 18:01:06 -0800, The Real Bev wrote:
>>>On 01/30/2012 06:28 AM, Hans-Georg Michna wrote:
>>>> Also, motorcycles cannot swerve as suddenly as a car can,
>>>> because they first have to steer to the left to tilt the cycle
>>>> to the right, before they can steer a right curve, and vice
>>>> versa. They are not as maneuverable as a car.
>>>I'm not sure about that. I never mastered the art of counter-steering
>>>(basic clumsiness and, having done so more than once, an unwillingness
>>>to throw myself to the ground)
>>Every motorcycle rider and also every bicycle rider masters the
>>art of counter-steering, because without it they cannot steer at
>>all.
>>>but I think motorcycles can both turn and
>>>stop faster than cars. Motorcycles used to win the Baja 1000 until more
>>>and more of the route became actual straightish road, and a motorcycle
>>>can easily outrun a car on a twisty mountain road.
>>Motorcycles have some advantages, like usually more power for
>>the same weight, but they cannot escape the pretty obvious
>>physical problem I described.
>>Before you can steer to one side, you first have to tilt the
>>bike, which takes a little time that cars don't have to waste.
>>Hans-Georg
>I am no longer a motorcyclist but do ride a bike, if I wish to turn
>left, I lean left. DOH!

And turn the front wheel to the right. That's counter-steering. If you
just turn the wheel to the left or keep it straight, you'd fall down.

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