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Posted by The Real Bev on January 31, 2012, 5:57 pm
On 01/31/2012 12:53 PM, Sunshine wrote:

>>> to initiate the left lean, you turn right (momentarily).
>>> That's called countersteering.
>>Thanks for the explanation. I still ride my bicycle almost daily, but not
>>great distances.
> No problem. As long as you manage to get above walking speed on two
> wheels, you're countersteering whether you realize it or not. It's not
> optional, it's mandatory.

If I do it deliberately the turn begins way too fast for me to react
properly. A different aspect: When I ski I use my ankles for control,
not my knees. Some of us are just clumsier than others of us.

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Cheers, Bev
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"History I believe furnishes no example of a priest-ridden people
maintaining a free civil government."
-- letter from Thomas Jefferson to Baron vonHumboldt, 1813

Posted by who where on February 1, 2012, 3:35 am
On Tue, 31 Jan 2012 19:15:02 +0000, artleknock

>I am no longer a motorcyclist but do ride a bike, if I wish to turn
>left, I lean left. DOH!

And if you have any grasp of physics, you would realise that you can't
just "lean left" (or right).

I have had *many* discussions with motorcyclists, and many have stated
what you have, only to return with a "doh!" when they actually
analysed what they do. As others have said, it IS counter-steering.

You "lean left" by the only method physics offers you - a small steer
to the right which starts you "toppling" left. Then, by steering left
you maintain balance in a turn. This is a perturbation of the normal
"micro-steering" that you subconsciously do to maintain balance on the
machine. You complete the turn by a small "oversteer" in the turn
direction.

If you think otherwise, it's time you went back out there and tried it
out. Then please come back and explain how you "lean left".

Posted by Hans-Georg Michna on February 1, 2012, 12:04 pm
On Tue, 31 Jan 2012 19:15:02 +0000, artleknock wrote:

>I am no longer a motorcyclist but do ride a bike, if I wish to turn
>left, I lean left. DOH!

Doesn't quite work that way, because you cannot move the center
of gravity sideways that way. In other words, if you lean left,
the bike leans right, and the center of gravity stays where it
was.

Hans-Georg

Posted by artleknock on February 2, 2012, 4:54 am
On Wed, 01 Feb 2012 18:04:28 +0100, Hans-Georg Michna

>On Tue, 31 Jan 2012 19:15:02 +0000, artleknock wrote:
>>I am no longer a motorcyclist but do ride a bike, if I wish to turn
>>left, I lean left. DOH!
>Doesn't quite work that way, because you cannot move the center
>of gravity sideways that way. In other words, if you lean left,
>the bike leans right, and the center of gravity stays where it
>was.
>Hans-Georg

Posted by artleknock on February 2, 2012, 5:02 am
On Wed, 01 Feb 2012 18:04:28 +0100, Hans-Georg Michna

>On Tue, 31 Jan 2012 19:15:02 +0000, artleknock wrote:
>>I am no longer a motorcyclist but do ride a bike, if I wish to turn
>>left, I lean left. DOH!
>Doesn't quite work that way, because you cannot move the center
>of gravity sideways that way. In other words, if you lean left,
>the bike leans right, and the center of gravity stays where it
>was.
>Hans-Georg

But if I lean the bike and myself left I have to steer left or fall
off because my center of gravity goes straight on :-)

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