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On Mon, 30 Jan 2012 18:01:06 -0800, The Real Bev wrote:
Every motorcycle rider and also every bicycle rider masters the
art of counter-steering, because without it they cannot steer at
all.
Motorcycles have some advantages, like usually more power for
the same weight, but they cannot escape the pretty obvious
physical problem I described.
Before you can steer to one side, you first have to tilt the
bike, which takes a little time that cars don't have to waste.
Hans-Georg
>On 01/30/2012 06:28 AM, Hans-Georg Michna wrote:
>> Also, motorcycles cannot swerve as suddenly as a car can,
>> because they first have to steer to the left to tilt the cycle
>> to the right, before they can steer a right curve, and vice
>> versa. They are not as maneuverable as a car.
>> because they first have to steer to the left to tilt the cycle
>> to the right, before they can steer a right curve, and vice
>> versa. They are not as maneuverable as a car.
>I'm not sure about that. I never mastered the art of counter-steering
>(basic clumsiness and, having done so more than once, an unwillingness
>to throw myself to the ground)
>(basic clumsiness and, having done so more than once, an unwillingness
>to throw myself to the ground)
Every motorcycle rider and also every bicycle rider masters the
art of counter-steering, because without it they cannot steer at
all.
>but I think motorcycles can both turn and
>stop faster than cars. Motorcycles used to win the Baja 1000 until more
>and more of the route became actual straightish road, and a motorcycle
>can easily outrun a car on a twisty mountain road.
>stop faster than cars. Motorcycles used to win the Baja 1000 until more
>and more of the route became actual straightish road, and a motorcycle
>can easily outrun a car on a twisty mountain road.
Motorcycles have some advantages, like usually more power for
the same weight, but they cannot escape the pretty obvious
physical problem I described.
Before you can steer to one side, you first have to tilt the
bike, which takes a little time that cars don't have to waste.
Hans-Georg
On Tue, 31 Jan 2012 17:58:55 +0100, Hans-Georg Michna
I am no longer a motorcyclist but do ride a bike, if I wish to turn
left, I lean left. DOH!
>On Mon, 30 Jan 2012 18:01:06 -0800, The Real Bev wrote:
>>On 01/30/2012 06:28 AM, Hans-Georg Michna wrote:
>>> Also, motorcycles cannot swerve as suddenly as a car can,
>>> because they first have to steer to the left to tilt the cycle
>>> to the right, before they can steer a right curve, and vice
>>> versa. They are not as maneuverable as a car.
>>> because they first have to steer to the left to tilt the cycle
>>> to the right, before they can steer a right curve, and vice
>>> versa. They are not as maneuverable as a car.
>>I'm not sure about that. I never mastered the art of counter-steering
>>(basic clumsiness and, having done so more than once, an unwillingness
>>to throw myself to the ground)
>>(basic clumsiness and, having done so more than once, an unwillingness
>>to throw myself to the ground)
>Every motorcycle rider and also every bicycle rider masters the
>art of counter-steering, because without it they cannot steer at
>all.
>art of counter-steering, because without it they cannot steer at
>all.
>>but I think motorcycles can both turn and
>>stop faster than cars. Motorcycles used to win the Baja 1000 until more
>>and more of the route became actual straightish road, and a motorcycle
>>can easily outrun a car on a twisty mountain road.
>>stop faster than cars. Motorcycles used to win the Baja 1000 until more
>>and more of the route became actual straightish road, and a motorcycle
>>can easily outrun a car on a twisty mountain road.
>Motorcycles have some advantages, like usually more power for
>the same weight, but they cannot escape the pretty obvious
>physical problem I described.
>Before you can steer to one side, you first have to tilt the
>bike, which takes a little time that cars don't have to waste.
>Hans-Georg
>the same weight, but they cannot escape the pretty obvious
>physical problem I described.
>Before you can steer to one side, you first have to tilt the
>bike, which takes a little time that cars don't have to waste.
>Hans-Georg
I am no longer a motorcyclist but do ride a bike, if I wish to turn
left, I lean left. DOH!
On Tue, 31 Jan 2012 19:15:02 +0000, artleknock
Yes, and to initiate the left lean, you turn right (momentarily).
That's called countersteering.
>On Tue, 31 Jan 2012 17:58:55 +0100, Hans-Georg Michna
>>On Mon, 30 Jan 2012 18:01:06 -0800, The Real Bev wrote:
>>>On 01/30/2012 06:28 AM, Hans-Georg Michna wrote:
>>>> Also, motorcycles cannot swerve as suddenly as a car can,
>>>> because they first have to steer to the left to tilt the cycle
>>>> to the right, before they can steer a right curve, and vice
>>>> versa. They are not as maneuverable as a car.
>>>I'm not sure about that. I never mastered the art of counter-steering
>>>(basic clumsiness and, having done so more than once, an unwillingness
>>>to throw myself to the ground)
>>>> Also, motorcycles cannot swerve as suddenly as a car can,
>>>> because they first have to steer to the left to tilt the cycle
>>>> to the right, before they can steer a right curve, and vice
>>>> versa. They are not as maneuverable as a car.
>>>I'm not sure about that. I never mastered the art of counter-steering
>>>(basic clumsiness and, having done so more than once, an unwillingness
>>>to throw myself to the ground)
>>Every motorcycle rider and also every bicycle rider masters the
>>art of counter-steering, because without it they cannot steer at
>>all.
>>art of counter-steering, because without it they cannot steer at
>>all.
>>>but I think motorcycles can both turn and
>>>stop faster than cars. Motorcycles used to win the Baja 1000 until more
>>>and more of the route became actual straightish road, and a motorcycle
>>>can easily outrun a car on a twisty mountain road.
>>>stop faster than cars. Motorcycles used to win the Baja 1000 until more
>>>and more of the route became actual straightish road, and a motorcycle
>>>can easily outrun a car on a twisty mountain road.
>>Motorcycles have some advantages, like usually more power for
>>the same weight, but they cannot escape the pretty obvious
>>physical problem I described.
>>Before you can steer to one side, you first have to tilt the
>>bike, which takes a little time that cars don't have to waste.
>>Hans-Georg
>>the same weight, but they cannot escape the pretty obvious
>>physical problem I described.
>>Before you can steer to one side, you first have to tilt the
>>bike, which takes a little time that cars don't have to waste.
>>Hans-Georg
>I am no longer a motorcyclist but do ride a bike, if I wish to turn
>left, I lean left. DOH!
>left, I lean left. DOH!
Yes, and to initiate the left lean, you turn right (momentarily).
That's called countersteering.
> to initiate the left lean, you turn right (momentarily).
> That's called countersteering.
> That's called countersteering.
Thanks for the explanation. I still ride my bicycle almost daily, but not
great distances.
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Han
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>> to initiate the left lean, you turn right (momentarily).
>> That's called countersteering.
>> That's called countersteering.
>Thanks for the explanation. I still ride my bicycle almost daily, but not
>great distances.
>great distances.
No problem. As long as you manage to get above walking speed on two
wheels, you're countersteering whether you realize it or not. It's not
optional, it's mandatory.
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